Really professional explaination:-) As to me, I think David's "predeploy" means: user can deploy his war/ear to the server and then convert the application to the geronimo plugin. In this way, user can assemble his "app plugin" to a server assembly.
HTH Rex. 2008/12/31 David Jencks <david_jen...@yahoo.com> > > On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:47 PM, bongosdude wrote: > > >> David, >> >> I am still confused with your "predeploy" explanation. What do you mean >> "predeploy"? and what does "predeploy" do? After "predeploy", what do we >> do >> next? >> > > When you deploy a javaee app on an app server, the server has to resolve a > lot of references, figure out what should be in the classloader for the app, > set up some components that wrap application bits, etc etc etc. Finally > after all this is done the app server starts your app. > > In a geronimo plugin we try to do as much of this work as possible in the > "create a plugin" stage so that there is very little work to do when you > install the plugin and mostly you just have to start it. I often call this > process of resolving references, figuring out the classloader, and wrapping > stuff in geronimo components "predeployment". If you have a better word I'd > love to hear it. > > It looks to me as if the wiki is having some confusion and corruption in > indexing but there is some documentation currently at > > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC22/buidlinginstalling-plugins-and-extracting-a-server-from-an-exsiting-server.html > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC22/assembling-a-server-using-maven.html > http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxDOC22/custom-server-assemblies.html > > I thought there was some more documentation but I can't find it right now. > > hope this helps > david jencks > > > >> >> -B >> >> >> djencks wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:31 PM, jamesdcarroll wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Thank you very much for your quick reply. I saw mention of GBeans >>>> and will >>>> look at them more closely. >>>> >>> >>> Gbeans are geronimo's idea of a (fine grained) service component. >>> Unless you are doing something very unusual you won't need to write >>> any additional gbeans. You may need to configure some for things like >>> security realms, but there are various wizards in the admin console >>> and GEP to help with this. >>> >>> My initial concern, though, is that the apps >>>> need to be portable (perhaps with minor changes) to other J2EE >>>> containers. >>>> That's why I was thinking that packaging them up as WAR/EARs. But >>>> I'll look. >>>> Maybe I can make a compelling case to my boss. >>>> >>> >>> I might have been a bit unclear. I'd recommend you start with your >>> javaee war/ear apps and "predeploy" them onto geronimo to create >>> geronimo plugins. One way to look at this is that it encapsulates >>> everything geronimo-related needed to run your app on geronimo. Then >>> you can use the plugin framework to either easily add these plugins >>> (your apps) to an existing geronimo server or construct a server that >>> just contains your apps and the geronimo bits needed to run them. >>> >>> With this approach you'll still have the javaee apps available to >>> deploy on other containers -- we just try to make it so as much as >>> possible of the "deployment" step happens during your build process. >>> >>> hope this is clearer :-) >>> >>> david jencks >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> djencks wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 3:41 PM, jamesdcarroll wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm really new to Geronimo/J2EE and was wondering if it is possible >>>>>> to place >>>>>> my own customer installer in front of geronimos. We want to create a >>>>>> number >>>>>> of products that do different things, but we need to have a central >>>>>> repository that tracks them, which will be its own product as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically the use case would be: >>>>>> 1. User opens our admin app on geronimo(a WAR/EAR) >>>>>> 2. User elects to add new component; the components would be WAR or >>>>>> EAR >>>>>> files >>>>>> 3. My program grabs it and parses a manifest or some other kind of >>>>>> config >>>>>> file in it >>>>>> 4. My program updates/does whatever it needs to >>>>>> 5. My program hands the WAR/EAR off to Geronimo for it to do its >>>>>> thing >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned, I'm kinda new and I'm reading the doc fast as I >>>>>> can. If >>>>>> there's something out there that I can maybe focus on, any point in >>>>>> the >>>>>> right direction would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Geronimo is actually designed to make strategies like this fairly >>>>> easy. You want to deploy your applications as geronimo plugins >>>>> (probably using a maven build and the car-maven-plugin). You can >>>>> then >>>>> either assemble custom servers including your applications (and >>>>> leaving out stuff they don't need) or provide a basic geronimo server >>>>> and a plugin repository containing your plugins: in the latter case >>>>> you can use the existing plugin installer portlet to show the choices >>>>> and let people install the ones they want, or write your own front >>>>> end. >>>>> >>>>> Plugins are a bit easier to work with in geronimo trunk/2.2-SNAPSHOT >>>>> than in the released geronimo versions. We'll probably have 2.2 out >>>>> before you get too far with this project :-). >>>>> >>>>> There is some documentation, especially for 2.2, on plugins, custom >>>>> server assemblies, and also dealing with both of these using eclipse/ >>>>> GEP. >>>>> >>>>> Let us know if you have more questions or need more capabilities in >>>>> the plugin system. >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> david jencks. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Customizing-install-of-apps-tp21188762s134p21188762.html >>>>>> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Users mailing list archive at >>>>>> Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/Customizing-install-of-apps-tp21188762s134p21189639.html >>>> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Users mailing list archive at >>>> Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ----- >> B Amigo:super: >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/Customizing-install-of-apps-tp21188762s134p21224292.html >> Sent from the Apache Geronimo - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >
