In my mind websockets is not necessarily something we want to focus on initially for a binary protocol. It would only benefit in-browser javascript access to the server, while setting back every other programming language, forcing them to add extra layers there to conform to the websocket protocol.
It would be interesting to take this into consideration when designing the binary protocol, however. Perhaps we can put something together that would be able to use websockets as a transport protocol at a later point in time. It would be cool to, once a certain level of authorization/authentication logic has been implemented, build high performance in-browser clients that talk directly to the server.. /Jake On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Peter Neubauer < peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com> wrote: > Thomas, > a websocket interface would be a great addition! We haven't come around to > do a proper binary protocol to Neo4j yet (pushed to Neo4j 1.6), but as Rick > mentions, a websocket interface would also mean to have streaming semantics > on the client. > > If you wanna prototype one with some trivial serialization that can be > changed later, that would rock! > > Cheers, > > /peter neubauer > > GTalk: neubauer.peter > Skype peter.neubauer > Phone +46 704 106975 > LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer > Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer > > http://www.neo4j.org - Your high performance graph database. > http://startupbootcamp.org/ - Öresund - Innovation happens HERE. > http://www.thoughtmade.com - Scandinavia's coolest Bring-a-Thing party. > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Thomas Fritz <fritz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I hope you had some good bear friday! ;) > > > > Do you think a (web)socket interface to neo4j could be done and > > integrated into the core? I do not like the idea of using a high > > performance graph database with fast indices (like neo4j is) and than > > the only interface to it is a HTTP RESTful API to it. Or are my > > assumptions and fears wrong? > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > --- > > Thomas FRITZ > > web http://fritzthomas.com > > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf > > > > > > > > 2011/8/26 Rick Bullotta <rick.bullo...@thingworx.com>: > > > We're doing some similar things using XMPP pub-sub and BOSH... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org [mailto: > user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org] > > On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz > > > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:49 AM > > > To: Neo4j user discussions > > > Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for > > access a DB > > > > > > If you like partial results take a look at this paper: > > > http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=131524 and > > > this cast: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/RES04 > > > > > > It uses rabin fingerprinting to detect changed chunks and only > > > transfers these changed chunks (like rsync does). In this case the > > > connecting side - the client - would also need some logic baked in > > > because the client, after connecting to the server, has to sent the > > > hashes of already retrieved chunks. So the server side can compute and > > > sent just those chunks which has updated. Maybe it makes sense for > > > some really big datasets. > > > > > > Kind regards and cheers from Vienna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Thomas FRITZ > > > web http://fritzthomas.com > > > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/8/26 Peter Neubauer <peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com>: > > >> I like that! > > >> > > >> Now some beer. Free. Friday. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> /peter neubauer > > >> > > >> GTalk: neubauer.peter > > >> Skype peter.neubauer > > >> Phone +46 704 106975 > > >> LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/neubauer > > >> Twitter http://twitter.com/peterneubauer > > >> > > >> http://www.neo4j.org - Your high performance graph > > database. > > >> http://startupbootcamp.org/ - Öresund - Innovation happens HERE. > > >> http://www.thoughtmade.com - Scandinavia's coolest Bring-a-Thing > party. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Rick Bullotta > > >> <rick.bullo...@thingworx.com>wrote: > > >> > > >>> Let's hope that one day soon all of these issues will be > "non-issues"! > > >>> > > >>> Having cool technology always "coming soon" reminds me of this sign: > > >>> http://www.rareirishstuff.com/media/13/a20792b12af7736b49978d_m.JPG > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org [mailto: > > user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org] > > >>> On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz > > >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:17 AM > > >>> To: Neo4j user discussions > > >>> Subject: Re: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for > > access > > >>> a DB > > >>> > > >>> Hi. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for your fast reply. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 2011/8/26 Rick Bullotta <rick.bullo...@thingworx.com>: > > >>> > A few potential challenges and reasons to wait on this: > > >>> > > > >>> > - the Websocket API is still in a state of change > > >>> thats true. But i think, since the latest security issues are solved > > >>> now with the latest protocol version, hopefully there are no breaking > > >>> changes anymore > > >>> > > >>> > - the existing REST API is synchronous request/response, so there's > > not a > > >>> lot of benefit to switching to websockets without a lot of rework > > >>> I think thats a real challenge. Since locking and concurrent writes > > >>> come into play - Except you would allow only one websocket connection > > >>> > > >>> > - The real benefit will be when you Javascript and other web > clients > > can > > >>> use a pure binary protocol (not possible today) > > >>> I pretty sure it is in the latest protocol definition. But i think no > > >>> Browser at this time of writing has implemented the binary parts. > > >>> > > >>> regards > > >>> > > >>> Tom > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > Rick > > >>> > > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > > >>> > From: user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org [mailto: > > user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org] > > >>> On Behalf Of Thomas Fritz > > >>> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 AM > > >>> > To: Neo4j user discussions > > >>> > Subject: [Neo4j] Websocket Server instead of REST for Neo4J for > > access a > > >>> DB > > >>> > > > >>> > Hi all! > > >>> > > > >>> > Have anyone thought, or is it possible to implement a Websocket > > >>> > Endpoint in Neo4J Server so one can use this instead of the RESTful > > >>> > API. Which would be more performant and scalable than the RESTful > > HTTP > > >>> > API. It is possible to use such a Websocket through Java, Node and > > any > > >>> > other Server Side Language and even JavaScript on the client side. > > >>> > > > >>> > What do you think? > > >>> > > > >>> > Kind regards > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > --- > > >>> > Thomas FRITZ > > >>> > web http://fritzthomas.com > > >>> > twitter http://twitter.com/thomasf > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > Neo4j mailing list > > >>> > User@lists.neo4j.org > > >>> > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > Neo4j mailing list > > >>> > User@lists.neo4j.org > > >>> > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Neo4j mailing list > > >>> User@lists.neo4j.org > > >>> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Neo4j mailing list > > >>> User@lists.neo4j.org > > >>> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Neo4j mailing list > > >> User@lists.neo4j.org > > >> https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Neo4j mailing list > > > User@lists.neo4j.org > > > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Neo4j mailing list > > > User@lists.neo4j.org > > > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Neo4j mailing list > > User@lists.neo4j.org > > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > > > _______________________________________________ > Neo4j mailing list > User@lists.neo4j.org > https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user > -- Jacob Hansson Phone: +46 (0) 763503395 Twitter: @jakewins _______________________________________________ Neo4j mailing list User@lists.neo4j.org https://lists.neo4j.org/mailman/listinfo/user
