Hi Dave,

I actually can't remember is it on the github issue, email list or twitter
feed, but definitely one of them.

Tim St Clair just brought up Apache on #139, and I'm a +1 on that as well.

Feel free to chime in on that Github issue you linked.

Tim

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Dave Lester <daveles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Tim C,
>
> Out of curiosity, which GitHub issue are you referring to when you say "Apache
> is one of the options mentioned"?
>
> I don't see it it in the discussion thread for
> https://github.com/coreos/rocket/issues/139, but I would love to find it
> and +1 the idea. Moving to Apache would be great to see.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Timothy Chen <t...@mesosphere.io> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Definitely I agree, i think what I am getting at is that it's clear from
>> the conversation that a open governance is what they want from day one.
>> Apache is one of the options mentioned one the Issue, and I believe
>> something along that line is most probable.
>>
>> As long as that's true it won't be as difficult as other options to
>> maintain  as an containerizer option for us.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Tim St Clair <tstcl...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> inline below
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Tim Chen" <t...@mesosphere.io>
>> *To: *user@mesos.apache.org
>> *Cc: *"dev" <d...@mesos.apache.org>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 11:20:47 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: Rocket
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> I see you've already commented on the rocket repo about this, and from
>> their messaging it aims to be independent which should be the whole point
>> of the open container spec.
>>
>> I'm all over this like white on rice.
>>
>>
>> I think the best way is just to be involved in the spec early on and
>> continue to do so while we move forward, and we have relationships with the
>> rocket people which should help also being in the loop as well.
>>
>> Relationships alone won't cut it.
>> Friends one day, enemies the next, isn't that the way it worked with
>> Docker...?
>>
>> Governance, such as Apaches model, is of critical importance.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Tim St Clair <tstcl...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Not to put too fine a point on it, but how are folks planning on
>>> establishing governance around the App Container spec?
>>>
>>> https://github.com/coreos/rocket/issues/193
>>>
>>> If the mesos community decides to leverage our own, how do we ensure
>>> that we have say in the spec going forwards?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Tobias Knaup" <t...@knaup.me>
>>> > To: user@mesos.apache.org
>>> > Cc: "dev" <d...@mesos.apache.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:39:58 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Rocket
>>> >
>>> > An important point to clarify is that two things were announced: a spec
>>> > (App Container) and an implementation (Rocket).
>>> > Here is the spec:
>>> > https://github.com/coreos/rocket/blob/master/app-container/SPEC.md
>>> > This separation of spec and implementation is important. It makes it
>>> much
>>> > easier to integrate in Mesos. systemd is also just the implementation
>>> of
>>> > the runtime part of the spec that CoreOS chose for Rocket. Mesos can
>>> use
>>> > something else or come with its own.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Dominic Hamon <dha...@twopensource.com
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Instead of considering the Rocket runtime as implemented, we should
>>> > > instead consider how we can implement their specification. A
>>> community is
>>> > > always healthier when there are multiple implementations of a
>>> > > specification, and through implementing it we may find ways to
>>> improve it.
>>> > >
>>> > > Also, this allows us to be a strong voice in the community and
>>> provide
>>> > > value through a C++ implementation.
>>> > >
>>> > > I've created a JIRA ticket
>>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MESOS-2162 to track any
>>> thoughts on
>>> > > this.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Tim Chen <t...@mesosphere.io> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi all,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Per the announcement from CoreOS about Rocket (
>>> > >> https://coreos.com/blog/rocket/) , it seems to be an exciting
>>> > >> containerizer runtime that has composable isolation/components,
>>> better
>>> > >> security and image specification/distribution.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> All of these design goals also fits very well into Mesos, where in
>>> Mesos
>>> > >> we also have a pluggable isolators model and have been experiencing
>>> some
>>> > >> pain points with our existing containerizers around image
>>> distribution and
>>> > >> security as well.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'd like to propose to integrate Rocket into Mesos with a new Rocket
>>> > >> containerizer, where I can see we can potentially integrate our
>>> existing
>>> > >> isolators into Rocket runtime.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Like to learn what you all think,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks!
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Dominic Hamon | @mrdo | Twitter
>>> > > *There are no bad ideas; only good ideas that go horribly wrong.*
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Timothy St. Clair
>>> Red Hat Inc.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Timothy St. Clair
>> Red Hat Inc.
>>
>>
>

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