David & team We do need cross pollination between Apache projects - Lets bank on it. Open source works on Word of mouth.
(1) ServiceMix - Fuse framework for services - James from Logicblaze might appreciate too. (2) XAL - Let me talk to Bob from nexaweb, we can help you convert in mass to XAL-HTML . Think about it. (3) C-JDBC Ofbiz was way ahead of time...... But open source changes everything. Please understand the "drop-out" candidates due to lots of new learning. my 2 cents on acceptance of framework. Half of career has being in US telecom and rest in India. It is culturally more challenging in India / Asia for non - standard approaches for web frameworks. e.g Verizon for VXML ( Voice XML ) decided to use customized Struts.Verizon Software team wrote extensions back in 2000. VXML needs something like SCXML for reusable dialogs which finally came in Struts2. While it is not possible in Asian scenarios.You have back ur decisions with case studies. Better if case study is that field - finance to win the debate. e.g I see some value in C-JDBC . But it is 3 months and I am still backing my case. It is funny that moment something becomes defacto standard and is asked by US CLIENTS , Indian Software companies churn out guys well-versed in that software in millions :) but very few take the first risk even if it architecturally beautiful. While French simply cannot stop appreciately good architecture. Someone found it challenging to make them accept standard software like JSP. You are bound to loose them in architectural debate. Open Source is to some extent about credibility of suggestions. I was not the best fan of Freemarket but http://raibledesigns.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=AppFuse Mark Rabbies article on Freemaker made me feel JSP 2.0 is more or less Freemarker. we had managed to get Appfuse in Large bank's Archtiecture and Mark article made me Look at Freemarker with better frame of mind. It clicked. Chand ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <user@ofbiz.apache.org> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Re: General questions > > On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:20 PM, Jonathon -- Improov wrote: > >> But you could be right. IMHO, the lack of clear OFBiz framework >> references (not videos that are unsearchable) may be hindering the >> explosive growth of the OFBiz-enabled engineer population. Also >> IMHO, an explosion in the number of OFBiz-enabled engineers will >> likely feed back into OFBiz very rapidly. And further IMHO, David >> Jones (creator of OFBiz) will then probably have a whole army of >> willing volunteers to choose from (many open source projects employ >> ULTRA STRINGENT qualifying criteria to screen volunteers before >> making them committers; you do get many top brains in open source >> projects, so good that you/I probably can't ever argue with those). >> >> And finally, IMHO, I could be entirely wrong in above paragraph. I >> am not David Jones; I never created an open source project myself. > > If this were the only factor I would release those materials under > the Apache license right away. > > As far as causality goes, knowing about OFBiz is a "necessary" cause > for contribution, but not a "sufficient" cause. If knowing about > OFBiz was a sufficient cause for heavy involvement in contributing to > OFBiz, we would have at least twenty to thirty active (ie daily) > committers, and we would probably go through easily 100 Jira issues a > week from outside contributors. > > For an excellent thesis on causality, I recommend "Causality and > Chance in Modern Physics" by David Bohm and Louis De Broglie, > especially the first few chapters which apply to a good deal other > than just physics (though of course honest physics involves a great > deal of real life so very little imagination is required to bridge > the gap). Actually, that book is more of a philosophy of science book > than a book about the results of science. > > -David > >
