This response is a big step in the right direction. There is an old French proverb that "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". As David said (his own highly ascerbic wit aside) there is a better way.
I think that everyone on this list needs to remember: 1) that learning OFBiz is painful and frustrating, which can come out (even without intending it) in new-user posts, and 2) that responding to perceived offenses with more flames serves no useful purpose. Postel's law applies to mailing lists, as well as programming: Be liberal in what input you accept, and conservative in your output. Just my thoughts. -- Matt Warnock <mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc. On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:43 -0700, Mike Z wrote: > My apologies to all. I didn't mean to offend. I think ofbiz is a > fantastic project, and I'm very grateful for the community > involvement, developers, and contributors. I'll try to behave better. > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:16 PM, David E Jones <d...@me.com> wrote: > > > > Please understand that when you are speaking of the OFBiz "community" (or > > any Apache community) there is no "us" and "them". OFBiz is a > > community-driven project, meaning everyone involved in the community is a > > volunteer contributor, even those with commits privileges. None of the > > committers have any responsibility to you, so you'll need to try a > > different approach than blame, complaints, and pushing false divisions. I > > don't know how you normally deal with people you want something from, but > > there are better approaches to get people to do things. > > > > If verbal abuse and attacks don't work, maybe you should step it up a small > > notch and try force, or at least threat of force? BTW, this is best done > > through lawyers and government as they prefer to be the only ones to do > > such things. If you're successful in a lawsuit perhaps you can get the > > police to come and arrest any community member with commit privileges who > > won't commit the patches you want. Oh wait, maybe that won't work either... > > that would just cause everyone in any jurisdiction you manage to manipulate > > to run away from the project and not be a committer any more, preferably > > before any personal legal action or arrest comes their way. Hmmmm. Maybe > > that won't work so well. > > > > There must be some sort of better way... > > > > -David > > > > > > On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Mike Z wrote: > > > >> The community (Abdullah Shaikh) took the time, researched, identified, > >> coded, and submitted a patch. I don't know what more could have been > >> asked of the community. I'm a new guy here true, but I'd like to know > >> that if I took the time to submit a fix to ofbiz, for the benefit of > >> the community, that it would be taken seriously, especially patches. > >> > >> Since the feature doesn't even work, and creates a big ugly red > >> message to the user, I would also guess that most implementations > >> would choose not to enable this feature. > >> > >> I guess I'll need to create my own local svn repository and patch it > >> myself. > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Each release is only as good as the community makes it. Community is the > >>> key word here, nobody gets paid to make sure Mike Z is downloading a bug > >>> free release. > >>> > >>> My guess is that most implementations have chosen not to allow customer's > >>> to cancel their orders and hence the bug doesn't concern them. If it > >>> concerns you then download the patch, test it, report the results and > >>> eventually a committer will find some spare time to look at it and > >>> possibly commit it. > >>> > >>> What else? Possibly plenty else. You can view the reported unresolved > >>> bugs by release in jira and you'll also need to be open to the > >>> possibility that there are other unreported bugs. > >>> > >>> It is up to users of the release like yourself to test the features that > >>> you need working and if they aren't then report them. Like I said, the > >>> release is only as good as the community makes it. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Scott > >>> > >>> HotWax Media > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>> > >>> On 15/07/2010, at 4:55 AM, Mike Z wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm testing my new store, when I decide to login as a user and cancel > >>>> an order (which is suppose to work). The user sees this: > >>>> > >>>> The Following Errors Occurred: > >>>> Error calling event: org.ofbiz.webapp.event.EventHandlerException: > >>>> Service invocation error (Could not commit transaction for service > >>>> [cancelOrderItem] call: Roll back error, could not commit transaction, > >>>> was rolled back instead because of: Error in simple-method [Auto > >>>> create OrderAdjustments > >>>> [file:/opt/ofbiz-9.04/applications/order/script/org/ofbiz/order/order/OrderServices.xml#recreateOrderAdjustments]]: > >>>> ; [Security Error To Run Auto Create Order Adjustments]) > >>>> > >>>> Odd. Looking further, I discover that a bug was submitted back in > >>>> OCT09, priority MAJOR, with a patch, and verified: > >>>> > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3075 > >>>> > >>>> Why wasn't it fixed in 9.04 SVN? I'm sorry, but as a brand new user, > >>>> the reason I chose 9.04 is because it is suppose to be the golden > >>>> build, patched as required, rock solid. All new users are directed to > >>>> 9.04. > >>>> > >>>> The bug actually exposes my INTERNAL paths! > >>>> > >>>> So I have to ask. What else???? > >>> > >>> > > > >
