Hi Jacques, Thank you for expressing a perception.
If that were so I guess the punishment described in the announcement would have been effected. But given that the statement is interpretable in many ways, I just thought to hedge my bets. Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > I think nobody accused you to critisise OFBiz > > Jacques > > > > Le 18/12/2016 à 14:39, Pierre Smits a écrit : > >> First of all: I am NOT critisizing OFBIZ! >> >> So I beg the 'judges' to see this in light of a quest for clarity. A >> clarity that will benefit everybody contributing in this great ASF >> project, >> as the announcement lacks various references. >> >> The announcement talks about the image of the project. But what is that >> image? Is that the image expressed in viewpoints from various PMC members? >> Or from outsiders? Is there a plan/policy to improve that image (if that >> is >> indeed necessary)? >> >> The statement talks about 'over the past few weeks'. Does this mean that >> individuals engaging in unfair marketing before said past few weeks are >> not >> treated in the same way as the individuals of the past few weeks? And are >> the unfair marketing messages from the individuals before the past few >> weeks regarded as not distracting our community and not detrimental to the >> project's image? >> This simply boils down to will this project law be applied from a moment >> in >> the future and be applied to future actions, or will it be applied to only >> actions from individuals in the past few weeks (which is very lucid) or >> also to all actions from all individuals since the inception of this >> project? >> >> I haven't seen anything in the past few weeks that could be held against >> an >> explicit OFBIZ law applicable at that moment in time. Over the various >> years of the existence of this project we all have seen various viewpoints >> expressed by individuals in the various public mailing lists about how >> they >> feel about the subject brought before us and how they feel about the >> individuals who violated against that viewpoint. But never have we seen >> something that resembled any kind of consensus resulting in an action plan >> and resulting in a clear ruleset. >> >> In the first sentence there is talk about criticising OFBiz? What does >> that >> entail. Is saying that there is something wrong in the code base >> criticising OFBiz? Is responding with a different viewpoint to the posting >> of another contributor criticising OFBiz? What are the boundaries where >> the >> expressed viewpoint goes from an effort to improve OFBiz to something that >> is 'distracting our community and detrimental to the project's image'? >> >> In the last segment of the announcement the term 'users' is brought before >> us? It seems to me that this term is to vague without further description. >> Are we talking about OFBiz users, users of products of Service Providers >> that provide OFBiz related services, readers of mailing list postings, or >> what? >> >> The last segment also talks about a punishment for repeat violators of the >> 3rd Party Marketing directive stated in [1]. Where will the arbitrage >> regarding this take place? Which organisational body will do the >> prosecuting? And which organisational body will do the judging and >> execution of judgement? How do we ensure impartial judging? How do we >> ensure transparency? And how do we register complaints, transcripts of the >> arbitrages and judgings, in order to ensure that every community member >> can >> learn from it and does not walk in wrong directions? >> >> In the last segment the punishment is 'removal from the mailing lists of >> the project'. How long will this punishment be enforced? Is this a life >> sentence, or is there a limitation to this. How do we ensure that the >> punishment fits the crime? >> >> Does this mean that if a PMC Member violates against the directives he >> will >> remain a PMC Member even though he is removed from the mailing lists? >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> >> OFBiz based solutions & services >> >> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace >> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Jacopo Cappellato <jaco...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> Over the past weeks a few individuals have posted several messages >>> sponsoring their company's products/services/initiatives and, at the same >>> time, criticized OFBiz and interfered with several threads in which OFBiz >>> related topics were discussed.These unfair marketing messages are >>> distracting for our community and detrimental to the project's image. >>> >>> In order to cope with this behavior the OFBiz PMC has published some >>> directions to govern how third parties can announce their >>> products/services/initiatives on the OFBiz user list: >>> >>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html#3rd-party-marketing >>> >>> Please consider that users repeatedly violating these directions will be >>> unsubscribed from the OFBiz lists. >>> >>> The OFBiz PMC >>> >>> >
