Created a PR enhancing the documentation and using @Gianluca Graziadei
suggestion to set it as Deprecated.
https://github.com/apache/storm/pull/8984

I can retrofit these documentation changes into the live website documentation.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 at 21:18, Gianluca Graziadei
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I agree with Richard for option (1).
>
> Karthick feel free to open a PR.
> In case you want proceed, instead of removing the line what about annotating 
> it with the following pattern?
>
> @Deprecated(since = "3.0.1", forRemoval = true)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gianluca
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026, 19:39 Richard Zowalla, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I would prefer (1) right now ;-)
>>
>> > Am 05.08.2026 um 00:18 schrieb Rui Abreu <[email protected]>:
>> >
>> > Hi! Thanks for spotting it. It seems that config was never used from
>> > the beginning.
>> > Storm 3.0.0 dropped Clojure in favour of Java, but the port kept the
>> > logic as much as possible.
>> > There used to be a comment in a Clojure source fle:
>> >
>> > -        ;; TODO: this is broken. need to maintain a map since last time
>> > -        ;; supervisor hearbeats like is done for tasks
>> > -        ;; maybe it's ok to trust ephemeral nodes here?
>> > -        ;;[[id info]]
>> > -        ;; (when (< (time-delta (:time-secs info))
>> > -        ;;          (conf NIMBUS-SUPERVISOR-TIMEOUT-SECS))
>> > -        ;;   [[id info]]
>> > -        ;;   )
>> >
>> > https://github.com/apache/storm/commit/40e092dda0e7affe89c00552bc138a251f095dc0
>> >
>> > The actual mechanism still relies on the ephemeral nodes (and always
>> > had, apparently)
>> >
>> > - ZooKeeper session timeout (storm.zookeeper.session.timeout, default
>> > 20000 ms). This is negotiated with ZK and drives when ZK deletes the
>> > ephemeral node after the supervisor stops responding.
>> > - Nimbus scheduler tick (nimbus.monitor.freq.secs) — how often Nimbus
>> > re-reads ZK and reassigns.
>> >
>> > supervisor.heartbeat.frequency.secs is misleading because even if it
>> > would not fire, Zookeeper client uses pings to keep the session alive,
>> > according to what I can gather (this property keeps the Supervisor
>> > data read by Nimbus fresh)
>> >
>> > @Richard Zowalla @Gianluca Graziadei @Julien Nioche would like to hear
>> > on thoughts on this.
>> >
>> > 1- We remove the dead configs/code/documentation and just properly
>> > document the actual mechanism
>> > 2- We implement a different Supervisor liveness mechanism based on
>> > that property that has been never used
>> >
>> > Either way, this is a bug. @Karthick do you want to open an issue for this?
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 at 05:29, Karthick <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Im checking on the heartbeat flow, The below configuration is not in use, 
>> >> as per comment it seems. Am I missing anything? Please guide me.
>> >>
>> >> /**
>> >> * How long before a supervisor can go without heartbeating before nimbus 
>> >> considers it dead and stops assigning new work to it.
>> >> */
>> >> @isInteger
>> >> @isPositiveNumber
>> >> public static final String NIMBUS_SUPERVISOR_TIMEOUT_SECS = 
>> >> "nimbus.supervisor.timeout.secs";
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jul 25, 2026 at 1:45 AM Gianluca Graziadei 
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I dug through the JIRA history and your reconciliation holds, though 
>> >>> with two key refinements: the bottleneck in STORM-2693 was actually 
>> >>> per-round read-and-recompute overhead on Nimbus rather than Zookeeper 
>> >>> write pressure, which is why the fix prioritized caching and supervisor 
>> >>> reporting over a faster store. SupervisorInfo stayed in ZK not for 
>> >>> liveness monitoring, but because it is shared cluster-state metadata 
>> >>> that any elected Nimbus leader needs to access for scheduling (content 
>> >>> of the serialized 
>> >>> https://github.com/apache/storm/blob/master/storm-client/src/jvm/org/apache/storm/generated/SupervisorInfo.java)
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Gianluca
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Il giorno ven 24 lug 2026 alle ore 12:25 Karthick 
>> >>> <[email protected]> ha scritto:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks, that's a clear and helpful breakdown. The push-for-liveness / 
>> >>>> pull-for-stats split makes sense: keeping a continuous in-memory pulse 
>> >>>> per worker in Nimbus (HeartbeatCache) while serving heavy stats on 
>> >>>> demand from ZK keeps Nimbus lightweight, and the Supervisor Thrift 
>> >>>> relay keeps those frequent liveness writes off ZK.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One thing I left out of my original question: the supervisor liveness 
>> >>>> heartbeat — which is also liveness, but it still goes to ZooKeeper 
>> >>>> (ephemeral znode at /supervisors/<id>, via SupervisorHeartbeat), 
>> >>>> consumed by Nimbus under nimbus.supervisor.timeout.secs. So "liveness" 
>> >>>> isn't uniformly on the Thrift path.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My working reconciliation is that the deciding factor is volume and 
>> >>>> semantics, not liveness-vs-stats:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Worker/executor liveness is high-volume (potentially thousands of 
>> >>>> heartbeats per cluster, every ~1s) → moved off ZK onto the Supervisor 
>> >>>> Thrift relay to avoid write pressure.
>> >>>> Supervisor liveness is low-volume (one per node, every ~5s) → cheap on 
>> >>>> ZK, and the ephemeral znode gives automatic crash detection when the 
>> >>>> session dies, which the Thrift path wouldn't provide for free.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does that match the design intent — i.e. supervisor heartbeats stayed 
>> >>>> on ZK deliberately because per-node volume is low and ephemeral-node 
>> >>>> semantics are valuable, whereas per-worker heartbeats were the actual 
>> >>>> ZK scaling problem?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also noted on 3.0.0's ZK read/serialization improvements — thanks for 
>> >>>> the pointer, will look into it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 4:53 PM Karthick <[email protected]> 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm studying the Storm 2.0 heartbeat/liveness paths and want to 
>> >>>>> confirm my understanding of a design decision.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As I read the 2.0 code, there are two distinct worker-originated 
>> >>>>> heartbeats:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Liveness — the worker writes an LSWorkerHeartbeat to local disk 
>> >>>>> (Worker.doHeartBeat); the supervisor reads those files and relays a 
>> >>>>> batch to the leader Nimbus over Thrift (ReportWorkerHeartbeats → 
>> >>>>> Nimbus.sendSupervisorWorkerHeartbeats → HeartbeatCache), governed by 
>> >>>>> nimbus.task.timeout.secs.
>> >>>>> Stats — Worker.doExecutorHeartbeats writes a heartbeat object 
>> >>>>> (time-secs + uptime + executor stats) to ZooKeeper, which the 
>> >>>>> UI/metrics consume (and which HeartbeatCache.updateFromZkHeartbeat can 
>> >>>>> still use for liveness on the ZK strategy).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My understanding is that liveness was moved off ZooKeeper (the 1.x 
>> >>>>> model, and later Pacemaker) because high-volume per-worker heartbeat 
>> >>>>> writes made ZK a scaling bottleneck, and since heartbeats are 
>> >>>>> ephemeral they don't need ZK's persistence/consistency — so the 
>> >>>>> supervisor-relay-over-Thrift model removes those writes from ZK 
>> >>>>> entirely.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A few questions:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is that the correct/primary motivation for the Thrift supervisor-relay 
>> >>>>> path, or were there other drivers (connection count, watch load, 
>> >>>>> Nimbus HA, recovery on leader change)?
>> >>>>> Why do executor stats still go through ZooKeeper rather than riding 
>> >>>>> the same Thrift path — is it purely that stats are lower-frequency and 
>> >>>>> UI-oriented, or is there a stronger reason?
>> >>>>> Is there a JIRA / design doc that captures this transition (beyond 
>> >>>>> docs/Pacemaker.md) that I could read?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks for any pointers — trying to make sure I document this 
>> >>>>> accurately.
>>

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