Dakota Jack, Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if they don't agree with you?
You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss them and technologies according to your claims. Jack H. Xu Technology columnist and editor http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dakota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700 > > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do not even see > what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see > nothing. > > On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote: > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code > > > the framework. > > > > That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have more > > codes and configuration files than straight forward JSP+Javabean+taglibs > > approach that was done before. > > > > And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate > > comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email). > > > > Jack H. Xu > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dakota Jack" > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700 > > > > > > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to > > code > > > the framework. > > > > > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote: > > > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic > > text editor. > > > > > > > > My consideation is based on the cost of software development. > > > > > > > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: before > > > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500 lines > > > > (remember those setters and getters and configuration files.) > > > > > > > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your > > > > project is 1.5 times than before. > > > > > > > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish > > > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before. > > > > > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year, > > > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. > > > > > > > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut > > > > those 5 million dollars. > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North > > America) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Rick Reumann" > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it. > > And > > > > in > > > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts > > > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and > > > > setters. > > > > > > > > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set > > methods, > > > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding Struts > > > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm used > > to > > > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla.. > > everyone > > > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard, > > whatever:) > > > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools to > > > > > create Struts apps. > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North > > America) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > > > > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > > back." > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. 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