Xy, where is the column that makes you a oolumnist? On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Show us a portal application. > > or anything you think was decent. (not hello world. -) > > I know some also but they seems not developed by D.J. (joking) > > Jack H. Xu > Technology columnist and editor > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Rosenberg" > To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" > Subject: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???) > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:21:05 +0200 > > > > > How large is large? > > > > I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as > large, to show > > you the right one. > > Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore? > > > > leon > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. > > > Juli 2005 18:30 > > > An: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > > > > > Dakota Jack, > > > > > > Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if they > > > don't agree with you? > > > > > > You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large > > > struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss them > > > and technologies according to your claims. > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in North > > > America) ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dakota Jack" > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do not even > see > > > > what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote: > > > > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't > have > > > to code > > > > > > the framework. > > > > > > > > > > That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts > have > > > more > > > > > codes and configuration files than straight forward > > > JSP+Javabean+taglibs > > > > > approach that was done before. > > > > > > > > > > And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate > > > > > comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another > email). > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in > North > > > America) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dakota Jack" > > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't > have > > > to > > > > > code > > > > > > the framework. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote: > > > > > > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very > > > basic > > > > > text editor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My consideation is based on the cost of software > development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: > > > before > > > > > > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are > 1500 > > > lines > > > > > > > (remember those setters and getters and configuration > files.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish > your > > > > > > > project is 1.5 times than before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you > finish > > > > > > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars > a > > > year, > > > > > > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary > to > > > cut > > > > > > > those 5 million dollars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > > > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in > > > North > > > > > America) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Rick Reumann" > > > > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET??? > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 > PM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only > part of > > > it. > > > > > And > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop > > > struts > > > > > > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on > getters > > > and > > > > > > > setters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make > get/set > > > > > methods, > > > > > > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding > > > Struts > > > > > > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because > I'm > > > used > > > > > to > > > > > > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla.. > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard, > > > > > whatever:) > > > > > > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI > tools > > > to > > > > > > > > create Struts apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu > > > > > > > Technology columnist and editor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in > > > North > > > > > America) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > > > > > > > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float > on > > > its > > > > > back." > > > > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack H. 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