How exactly does dispatching a collection of spite-filled e-mails become "damaging to the Struts community," because I sure don't see it. Will it reduce participation on this mailing list? If people think twice about making bigoted or unprofessional posts it's a positive.
People are calling him a victim, but don't forget, Mark was the *originator* of this nonsense. He has only himself to blame, and he was just asking for trouble spewing that kind of bile from a work account. It's unfortunate that it affected his job, but again, the situation was under his control from the beginning. -ed On 7/7/05, Brian Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good point, assuming that what Mark says is true, that he was fired, this is > all bad. > > I recognize your need to ban people and if it helps improve the signal to > noise ratio on this list, I'm all for it. I also recognize that we are all > responsible for what we say here. Both the first time around through email > and the second time around in the archives. > > But in this instance, Mark doesn't have only himself to blame. Someone sent > his comments to his workplace and resulted in him being fired. I've worked > will some major jerks over the years who wrote great code, slung great > servers, etc etc. Just because someone's has unpopular views or is terribly > annoying or extremely frustrating or whatever does not justify maliciously > alerting their employers. > > This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. All you need to do is to create a > filter and individuals can ban anyone they want. The email to MD dept of > elections is spiteful and childish and way more damaging to the struts > community than any bigoted and/or stupid posts. > > BAL > > >From: Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Struts Users Mailing List <user@struts.apache.org> > >CC: Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: banned > >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:24:14 -0700 > > > >On 7/6/05, Brian Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Wow, this is shockingly lame. Like amazingly lame. To mess with > >someone's > > > livlihood because you think they are an jerk is inexcusable. > > > > > > >Keep in mind that, if Mark indeed did get fired (he has *no* > >credibility with me, so I don't believe anything he says without > >corroboration) then he has only himself, and his own behavior, to > >blame. Acting the way he does, on a public mailing list (which is > >certainly accessible to his boss whether or not someone points him at > >it) is incredibly stupid, and doing so from his employer's email > >system is way beyond stupid -- and it was only a matter of time before > >he got called on it. > > > >I didn't forward the email trail, but I can absolutely understand > >Niall's frustration with the behavior of an idiot. I'll take Niall > >with one "fit of frustration" lapse *any* day over several of the > >people that think the Struts user mailing list is their private > >playground to have a "I can be more outrageous and infantile than you > >can" pissing contest. > > > >The next time around, I'm going to be inclined to ban people soon > >after a spate of continuous crap like this (assuming requests to > >change behavior don't work). It's a losing battle against a > >determined jerk (because its easy to just get a new address) -- but > >(since Mark got it wrong yet again) -- I didn't ban him, but I would > >not complain if one of the other mailing list moderators had (they > >didn't ban his gmail address, or you wouldn't have been able to see > >his latest comment). Actually, as I told him, it would suit me just > >fine if he simply went away. > > > >I know there are a few people here who find Mark to be funny (I'm > >*not* a part of that group). That's fine ... it's a free world ... > >but please go find him funny somewhere else. There are ***lots*** of > >people who find him annoying and disruptive instead of helpful -- and, > >to the extent that this behavior encourages others to leave the list, > >it harms the Struts community as a whole. > > > >Craig McClanahan > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
