Thanks Dave and Michael.  I've implemented the
UserContainer object as a means of just encapsulating
necessary info that would otherwise be in separate
sessions.  I have also used the action forms
accordingly to display necessary info that would be
more natural.  For pages that require the form to
change depending on user interactions and maintaining
a list of objects within the form, I basically use
them as a form attribute that is a list and store the
form in a session.

Jade

--- Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Jouravlev wrote:
> 
> >It still is decoupled, only nested ;-) Nesting it
> in ActionForm you
> >keep its state and get it populated from request.
> You can do the same
> >for unit test: keep the state and populate.
> >  
> >
> Hmm, yeah, I suppose. I guess in this case I felt
> that the stuff in the 
> object in question weren't necessarily being
> populated from a request. 
> For instance, I carry might around a user object in
> the session that 
> contains some info from the user table, but other
> stuff that gets added 
> during web-app travel or is calculated somehow, etc.
> 
> Basically non-request, potentially non-db, etc.
> 
> >A little bit offtopic: say you have a New User
> Registration form. Your
> >business object for userinfo contains username and
> password, but does
> >not contain retyped password, because retyped
> password is not part of
> >business data, it is needed for input verification
> only. How would you
> >test "Adding a new user" use case without
> ActionForm or additional
> >wrapper around your Accout object?
> >  
> >
> I'd "functional-test" the web app, and unit-test the
> business logic.
> 
> That is, I have standalone unit tests that add a new
> user given the 
> username, password, whatever else the business side
> expected, and I 
> check the results of the business logic.
> 
> I also have client-oriented web-app tests that make
> sure forms contain 
> all expected fields and validate properly, then
> submit the form, and 
> makes sure that the web-app continues to the
> appropriate place with the 
> appropriate content based on the results of the form
> submission.
> 
> >This is what I implemented about a year ago: a
> wrapper around business
> >object, which contains business object itself and
> UI-only fields plus
> >error messages relevant to this object only. 
> >
> What do you mean the ActionForm contains the error
> messages relevant to 
> this object only?
> 
> I've been struggling with finding a good way to
> encapsulate errors, 
> return messages, etc. from specific pages; so far
> I've been putting them 
> in the properties file but I'm not a huge fan of the
> ad-hoc solution 
> I've developed. Right now it's too much trouble to
> standalone-test.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
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