I totally agree about what you said but I think JSF can be used for simple applications too. You can send ResultSet directly to a lot of components. It is very handy for small applications where you don't need a full domain model and service layer.
I agree with what you said about frameworks in general. Java developers sometimes tend too much to use the full "traditional" (not "standard", dakota...) stack of JEE techonologies (Struts or other view technologies, Spring, Hibernate or TopLink or DAO) for simple problem. They are terrific tools but in my opinion there is no need to squash an insect with a hammer. On 12/14/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, December 14, 2005 9:37 am, Bill Schneider said: > > On the other hand, JSF does make doing some simple things hard. > > I think this is actually an excellent point, and I was thinking of it the > other day and forgot to make it myself... > > You can come up with numerous examples of things that make simple things > harder, and yet make more difficult things easier. Hibernate to me is an > excellent example... If your just updating a field or two in a database, > Hibernate tends to make that simple job a lot harder (more work to do for > example). But, if you have a number of tables with various linkages and > such to be updated based on some actual objects, Hibernate clearly makes > that chore easier. > > The true benefit of the solution doesn't become apparent until the > complexity of the problem reaches some undefined break-even threshold. > > JSF may well be the same way. It may be that a small app with a few pages > and just a few simple forms might be (or at least seem) more difficult in > JSF, but it may also be true that real-world business apps with some real > complexity to them become easier with it. I am at least willing to > entertain that possibility, especially since my own experience with it has > admittedly NOT been anything other than relatively simple apps (a blog in > Shale, which I never completely finished, for example). > > Everyone has made some good points in this discussion. For me, the bottom > line remains: I have some big doubts about JSF, but I'm not ready to > dismiss it at all. Even if it isn't the de facto Java web development > standard at some point, I think there is no doubt it will be a player in > some capacity, so keeping an eye on it and re-evaluating it every so often > is just prudent IMO. > > Frank > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Alexandre Poitras Québec, Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
