What if <--- dangerous I know!
What if there existed a JSF 1.2 implementation built with WW2 at the
core?
I'm definitely not an expert with either JSF or WW2, however, I've
looked at both just enough to be convinced that it is possible. WW2
has everything I already love about Struts and it even comes with
basic support for components, full Spring integration, etc, etc.
Am I just crazy or what? Would that not let everyone have their cake
and eat it too?
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On Mar 16, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Paul Benedict wrote:
I believe Dakota is correct in this area. The problem is not
with JSF itself, but the way the Struts team has divided itself
into competing camps. JSF and Struts are competing because their
approaches are orthogonal; it doesn't make any sense to do both
unless you are on a migration path.
When you have really great talent like Craig leave the Action
Framework to contribute putting his total/almost total effort into
Shale, it
sends the signal TO ME (my opinion here) of "the boat is sinking"
(Struts) and "the next big thing" (JSF) is on the horizon. Craig
has put a ton of time and effort into Shale and I think that's
awesome, but at the same time, I wish he would do the same to Struts.
The Action Framework needs a lot of constant dedication to make it
better,
and there are ton of great contributions on board, but Craig appears
to have an abundance of time and effort no one else has :-) and I wish
that talent was retained for Struts.
I think Struts does have a future, but I believe there needs
to be honesty about the competition here. Struts DOES COMPETE against
JSF and Shale, and putting these competitors into one mailing list
will definitely bring out the passion on both sides.
-- Paul
--- Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think JSF is polarizing. I think that the way it has been
pushed
into areas it does not belong is polarizing. There is absolutely
nothing
wrong with JSF, in my opinion, but there is something wrong with
the way its
advocates have strong-armed and misled people. That's what I have
disliked.
On 3/15/06, Greg Reddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Isn't it interesting how polarizing JSF seems to be? I don't know
about
you, but I talk to more people with a strong opinion either way
than most
other technologies. The only other one I can think of in the same
vein is
EJBs. Seems like you either love EJBs or you hate them, and the
same
seems, largely, to be true of JSF. There seems to be relatively
few of us
in the middle.
I think it's largely because the JCP moved into a space that was
already well-populated and people tend to be very skeptical of
governing bodies. I think that the simple fact that JSF is a
standard means there's a certain slice of people who will
automatically refuse to accept it. I wonder how different the
response would be if the exact same technology had been developed by
ASF or FSF without the involvement of a standards body. Conversely,
I wonder how different the response to Struts would've been if it
had
started out as a JSR.
Developers seem to have the most difficult time with the "not
created
here" syndrome. At my last job I was on an architecture team for a
large firm. We inherently held great skepticism for any framework
handed to us that we didn't develop ourselves. And any framework we
developed ourselves seemed to be completely rejected by everyone
else. The portal software I'm working with right now really
needs to
be rewritten IMO. The only frameworks that seem to gain widespread
acceptance are those that are developed in an open community rather
than a closed one. Hmm. But there's always politics and egos
involved. I strive to be the developer who can walk into any
framework already in use and get work done without complaining about
how broken everything is. I'm still a long way from achieving that
goal.
Greg
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