Phlogiston was an element that helped scientists explain why things
burnt.. It worked for a while (the model could explain the observed
phenomona) until the observation was made that when weighing the
chemical products of burning found that things didn't add up. Its a
good example of selection at a non biological level.

Chairs, tables, technical blueprints, whatever, all must survive the
tests of time in some way shape form. What you are claiming is that
political activties are more at play than ecological presures (yes
like market forces). This reminds me of Feyerband's scientific
relativism, you can say that galileo's ideas were adopted by their
truth content (or that they provided a reasonable model in which to
explain observation) or that he was good at selling telescopes to sea
merchants in his day and/or he published his works in italian and not
latin. If this is the position, then i'd have to disagree. No matter
how many paradigm shifts scientific modeling undergoes, its truth
content can be justified in terms of the things you can do with it
(fly, build bridges, make software).

I dont see the irrelevance of the principle that darwin decides.. The
models you're vaguely half quoting survive or not, based their
applications. Newtonian mechanics might be mistaken in a fundamental
sense but its still useful. Merely saying its "fundamentally wrong" is
just sloppy, vague and fails to say anything. Yes there are those that
argue against certain interpretations of darwin, but very few agrue
against natural selection.

Software, approaches to software, dvd formats, chairs, scientific
models, must all survive ecological pressures of some kind. This is
like like stating "there will or wont be a ship battle tommorrow", or
p == true || p == false.

I think the thread had deviated from anything vaguely useful from a
genuine struts question long before i started waffling. But i dont
think its entirely irrelevant..

Mark


On 3/18/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You commit one of the largest howlers on the history of this list and you
> just avoid it by saying this?  You cannot even admit saying that committers
> are not elected officials was a gaff of huge proportions?  What we say
> around here to people like this is "Man up!"
>
> <cough>
> On 3/17/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think the flaw in my analogy is that nobody will starve if they choose
> > not to eat at the Struts shelter :-)
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> </cough>
>
>
>
> --
> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
>
>

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