I did not say you cannot write decent tests for Struts. You can write decent tests for almost anything. I said one of the main problems with Struts is the difficulty in testing it. I don't think that is debatable. If it is, then I don't want to debate it. The reasons for that are crystal clear to me and are well known in the literature. I have to admit that I had no idea that you were a long time Struts person. I was surprised to hear that. Have you never come across anything that discussed this before?
On 3/30/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/31/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am sorry you took this personally, Dion. I meant nothing about you > > personally. I am just saying that what you are advocating is well-known > > in > > the literature and in fact to be a problem. This is a main reason why > > Struts 1.x is being abandoned. I am not going to take the time to show > > you > > something that you should be learning as a matter of course. I don't > owe > > you that. So far as I know you may be the most wonderful person in the > > world. Nothing personal is meant. Just read more. That is all I am > > saying. Just because you don't see something does not mean I have the > > obligation to teach you. I have told you the truth. Check it out. > > > Your original statement I replied to was: > "For one, try writing decent tests." > > Believe it or not, I have done a lot of reading on Struts, been developing > with Struts for many years (I think it was 1999, in the 0.5 days) and > understand what it takes to test Struts code very well. I've written > Struts > and WebWork apps, and tests for both, many times. > > I'm not asking you to teach me anything. > > IMHO, you can write decent tests for Struts applications. And I'm happy to > agree to disagree with you. > > On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Ah, personal attack, thanks. > > > > > > I wouldn't want people to think that it's not possible to write decent > > > tests > > > with Struts 1.x. > > > > > > It is. > > > > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sigh ...... Dion, I am sorry, but I am not going to stoop this > > > > low. Come > > > > back later when you are grown up in this business. I hate to do > this > > > but > > > > I > > > > am not going to start at 101 with you. Someone else can. I am not > > > going > > > > to. You DON'T have a clue about these issues and don't even realize > > > that > > > > you are revealing that in spades. Please do yourself a favor and > bow > > > out > > > > gracefully. > > > > > > > > On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dion, you are obviously really green. Please read a bit and > then > > > come > > > > > > back. Do you have any idea about architecture and design and > > > testing > > > > > > issues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I do. Do you? > > > > > > > > > > So, the use of StrutsTestCase has an effect on architecture and > > > design? > > > > > Are you saying you can't test your code using it? I seem to do it > > > > > reasonably > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God, Joe! If you don't know what is wrong with Struts > 1.xthen > > > > > stand > > > > > > > > aside. For one, try writing decent tests. Do you test your > > > code? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So StrutsTestCase doesn't help you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/06, Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You didn't answer Dion's question. You merely summarized > > that > > > > > Struts > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > WebWork merged. > > > > > > > > > You did not state any technical reasons that Struts 1.x is > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > The question was "Do you have a list of > > > > > > > > > things that are technically wrong with Struts 1.x?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You complain that people don't answer questions on this > list > > > and > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you've just done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So do you have an answer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You should not use me as some kind of scapegoat to take > out > > > > your > > > > > > > > > >frustrations on. Take this stuff up with the Struts PMC, > > not > > > > > > > > > >with me. >Jonathan Revusky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very unbecoming of you Jon. Stop trying to change the > > subject > > > > and > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > the question.The question is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you have a list of things that are technically wrong > > with > > > > > Struts > > > > > > > 1.x > > > > > > > > ?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float > on > > > its > > > > > > > back." > > > > > > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/ > > > > > > > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck > Norris > > > is > > > > > > afraid > > > > > > > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on > its > > > > > back." > > > > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/ > > > > > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris > is > > > > afraid > > > > > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > > > back." > > > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/ > > > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is > > afraid > > > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its > back." > > ~Dakota Jack~ > > > > > > > -- > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/ > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is afraid > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~
