If you are really interested in bringing clarity to the discussions,
the people who are interested in having separate lists should be
prefixing your questions and answers with [s1] or [s2] instead of
trying to force people to have to subscribe to separate lists.
If someone posts a new question without a prefix, you can always send
a gentle reminder that such prefixes are preferred, but we should
never try to enforce it as a rule.
Even if *your* reply uses [s2] and it is the only one in a long
thread, at least the entire thread gets labelled (sort of) so that
future searches can use "[s2]" as a filter to narrow the results.
For example, if you search the googler for "struts action
site:nabble.com", you get 9,360 results. However, if you search for
"s2 action site:nabble.com", you get 244.
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James Mitchell
On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Bruno Melloni wrote:
I have to agree. Having a separate Struts 2 list would be nice, but
let's face it...
- Struts 1 "owned" the web presentation space, making the move from
1.x
to 1.y brainless.
- But since Struts 2 is a complete rewrite and JSF is competing
strongly
for the same space (with much help from the tool vendors), the
choice to
go to from Struts 1 to 2 is not easy for today's developers.
Struts 2 - regardless of how much better it is - needs all the help it
can get to establish itself in the minds of developers. The price we
pay by slogging through 100 emails per day in a single list is
small if
it helps Struts 2 win the battle.
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:59 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
I think the thought behind not splitting the lists to this point is
that
Apache experience has been that it tends to divide a community rather
than direct traffic in a more granular way. The idea is that a Struts
user is a Struts user regardless of version, and those that may not be
using S2 today (yours truly included for the most part) may well be
using it tomorrow... a person can get a leg-up just by keeping an
eye on
the S2 posts (I know that's true for me). One could always
subscribe to
multiple lists of course, but in terms of community, a single united
list theoretically at least yields more synergy. This is my
interpretation of things I've seen stated in the past (I happen to
agree
with it too :) ). Maybe the thinking is different now by those who
are
in a position to change things, I don't know.
As for a forum, I seem to remember Apache infrastructure not
supporting
it, and I also seem to remember something about Apache projects not
(directly at least) using outside resources... others more
knowledgeable
than I would have to answer this though... I can't off the top of my
head think of any other Apache project that has a forum that is
officially linked to the project. As a personal opinion, I'm not
sure I
see the benefit of a forum vs. a mailing list, they seem pretty well
even to me, maybe a slight edge to the mailing list since it goes
to my
mail client... I could see a good argument though for a forum that
supplies an RSS feed too.
Frank
Antony Stubbs wrote:
Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow
applicable to struts 1, but they're mostly not.
For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from
struts 1, as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate
support to make it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like
it's we want a struts 1.5 list. 2 is very different from 1.
What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major
tapestry release, but this is a case of adopting the best process
that
fit's the situation, and in this situation the lists should be
seperate IMO.
Dave Newton-4 wrote:
--- Antony Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This list seems to be quite busy, and I think everyone would
benefit
hugely from separating out
the
two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm surprised this
hasn't been done already.
It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still agree and
would vote for separation if it was votable.
d.
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