It appears that the -status option was dropped in 2.x - was it replaced by
something else?

Thanks,
Cristi


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 4:54 PM Tim Allison <[email protected]> wrote:

> >I wanted to double check that -JXX:+ExitOnOutOfMemoryError should be
> provided to the main process or to the child, can you please confirm?
>
> Yes
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:49 AM Cristian Zamfir <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 2 Jun 2021, at 15:33, Cristian Zamfir <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On 2 Jun 2021, at 14:43, Tim Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I noticed that Tika prints in the logs OOM (null), but seems to
> recover by itself even when not using -spawnChild. Is this the expected
> behavior?
> > >>
> > >> When not in -spawnChild mode, Tika is catching OOM exceptions (when it
> > >> can), but it isn't "recovering"... the jvm may be in an inconsistent
> > >> state, and it is safest to restart the jvm.  It would probably be good
> > >> practice when in -spawnChild mode to use -XX:+ExitOnOutOfMemoryError,
> > >> or on the tika commandline -JXX:+ExitOnOutOfMemoryError.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification, makes sense. Already migrated to using
> -spawnChild.
> > > It would be great to make these default for the docker container, I
> suspect most people using the docker image will use it in a similar way and
> can run into OOM.
> >
> > I tested that these args work:
> > -spawnChild TIKA_CHILD_JVM_OPTS=-JXmx3g -JXX:+ExitOnOutOfMemoryError
> -status
> > I wanted to double check that -JXX:+ExitOnOutOfMemoryError should be
> provided to the main process or to the child, can you please confirm?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I highly encourage you to use -spawnChild mode, or the new pipes
> > >> modules in 2.x if those will work for you at some point...those are
> > >> still beta.  OOMs are one thing, but infinite loops are another.
> > >>
> > >> 1. Do you have a recommendation for a stress test that would allow me
> > >> to easily test OOM behavior?
> > >> The MockParser is built for exactly this:
> > >>
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TIKA/MockParser&source=gmail-imap&ust=1623242610000000&usg=AOvVaw0Ojll8dNTrN4dPDsFxe27I
> > >>
> > >> Let us know if you have any questions about it.  The key elements for
> > >> you are <fakeload/>, <throw/> <oom/> and probably <system_exit/>.
> > >> That's for synthetic load testing.  If you want files in the wild, we
> > >> have 2TB of files from the wild:
> > >>
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://corpora.tika.apache.org/base/docs/&source=gmail-imap&ust=1623242610000000&usg=AOvVaw1GmwQmaIG2r-uVROvKDdeJ
> > >
> > > Looks great. Looks like I will need to tweak the container for testing
> this, but that’s likely fine.
> >
> > Actually I tested that the server restarts on OOM using ulimit and then
> a for loop with curl, it is easy to reproduce.
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> 2. For implementing a health check that detects when Tika is stuck, I
> > >> could periodically send a simple request and check that the reply is
> > >> correct, do you recommend a better approach?
> > >> We have a rudimentary /status endpoint, which will give you number of
> > >> restarts, number of files processed, milliseconds since last parse.
> > >> You have to turn it on via the commandline: -status.
> > >
> > > The status endpoint looks like a possible, I can look for "status":
> “OPERATING”. Sending a single byte file looks like a decent check as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 6:50 AM Cristian Zamfir <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi!
> > >>>
> > >>> I noticed that Tika prints in the logs OOM (null), but seems to
> recover by itself even when not using -spawnChild. Is this the expected
> behavior? I am trying to figure out when logs containing "OOM" are critical
> and would require a container restart.
> > >>>
> > >>> I also wanted to bring up two of my questions below, I am looking
> forward to your feedback:
> > >>> 1. Do you have a recommendation for a stress test that would allow
> me to easily test OOM behavior?
> > >>> 2. For implementing a health check that detects when Tika is stuck,
> I could periodically send a simple request and check that the reply is
> correct, do you recommend a better approach?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Cristi
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 2:58 PM Cristian Zamfir <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 28 May 2021, at 19:03, Tim Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tika 2.x should help with this in pipes and async.  Your system
> should
> > >>>>> expect to go oom or crash at some point if you're processing enough
> > >>>>> files.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I believe that this is what is happening in my case, it’s not due
> to a single file, it happens under high load when processing many files at
> once.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Right --spawnChild is not default in 1.x, but it will be in 2.x.
> And,
> > >>>>> yes, you should be using it. To set the Xmx in the forked process
> add
> > >>>>> -J, as in -JXmx2g would set the Xmx for the forked process.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Did both now and I think this provides good recovery from OOM.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I don't have experience to recommend bumping Xmx to close to your
> > >>>>> container's max memory. In java programs that do a bunch of work
> off
> > >>>>> heap, this would be a bad idea because you need to leave resources
> for
> > >>>>> your system os, but I don't think we do much off heap.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What’s your take on a configuration in which the container is
> capped at 4GB and the spawned child has a heap limit of 3GB? Sounds like a
> pretty safe margin to me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Which file types are causing OOMs?  The MP4Parser is notorious, and
> > >>>>> we're looking to swap it out in 2.x for a different parser.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Good to hear. I don’t know how to identify the root cause because
> there are many files sent at once.
> > >>>> However, it would be great to learn if there is a quick way to
> trigger a high load and test resiliency to OOM, do you have a
> recommendation?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yep, TIKA-3353 is the monitoring that Nick was mentioning.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am actually more interested in health checks, to detect when the
> system is stuck without automatically restarting. A built-in health check
> would certainly be a nice feature.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Besides OOM, one other possible cause is if /tmp gets full - for
> instance I see here
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://github.com/tongwang/tika-server-docker/blob/master/bin/healthcheck&source=gmail-imap&ust=1623242610000000&usg=AOvVaw3ELoyR3KnlYeRkxqI-n_sp
> that /tmp is cleaned up periodically and the health check fails if it is
> too full.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are there any other situations that could indicate that the
> container is stuck and needs a restart and if yes, is there a way to detect
> the condition?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Cristi
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:08 AM Cristian Zamfir <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for your answer Nick!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am running apache/tika:latest-full which is using 1.25. Looks
> like I need at least version 1.26 for
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TIKA-3353%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1622826254000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw1we1l0Sh-gWif4FqbZ2qek&source=gmail-imap&ust=1623242610000000&usg=AOvVaw1_cxA4lC8qLoQsbu4sQfsP,
> but I am not sure if this is not overkill for implementing basic liveness
> health checks.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It's clear that –spawnChild and ForkParser are two must-haves
> that AFAIU are not default in apache/tika:latest-full
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> My guess is that I also need to set the jvm heap size close to
> the memory resource limit for the container, but that's not ideal because
> the heap size would be statically configured while the memory resource
> limits are dynamic. Or maybe this is not necessary if I use -spawnChild?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am looking forward to your answers, thanks a lot!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Cristi
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 2:55 PM Nick Burch <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021, Cristian Zamfir wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> I am running some stress tests of the latest tika server docker
> (not
> > >>>>>>>> modified in any way, just pulled from the registry) and seeing
> that after a
> > >>>>>>>> few hours I see OOM in the logs. The container has a limit of
> 4GB set in
> > >>>>>>>> K8S. I am wondering if you have any best practices on how to
> avoid this.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hopefully one of our Tika+Docker experts will be along in a
> minute to help
> > >>>>>>> advise!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> For now, the general advice is documented at:
> > >>>>>>>
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.google.com/url?q%3Dhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TIKA/The%252BRobustness%252Bof%252BApache%252BTika%26source%3Dgmail-imap%26ust%3D1622826254000000%26usg%3DAOvVaw0p_ynGwlHapvMiy24sF1FP&source=gmail-imap&ust=1623242610000000&usg=AOvVaw2un_ETGBn01eVOW2jexxPL
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Also, which version of Tika are you on? There have been some
> contributions
> > >>>>>>> recently around monitoring the server, which you might want to
> upgrade
> > >>>>>>> for, eg TIKA-3353
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Nick
> >
>

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