Hi Yang, Some answers between lines:

On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Yang wrote:

the leader broadcasts a write to all replicas, and then waits for a
quorum to reply, before sending out the COMMIT.
why is the quorum necessary (i.e. why can't the leader just wait for
one reply and start sending the COMMIT?)??

now that I think about it, it seems that waiting for just one reply is
enough, because the connection from leader to replicas are FIFO, as
long as the replicas do not die,
they will eventually get the writes, even though the writes arrive at
them after the leader starts the COMMIT.


Just to clarify, FIFO guarantees that a prefix of what has been sent is received and that the messages follow the send order. Delivery is not guaranteed, though. If we deliver no message, FIFO is still preserved.

the only reason I can think of  for using a quorum is to tolerate more
failures: if the only replied replica  dies, and leader dies, then we
lose that  latest write.

Committing a transaction based on a single acknowledgement does not guarantee the durability of the operation in general if you want to tolerate at least one crash. Once a client receives a confirmation of an operation, enough ZooKeeper replicas must have persisted the corresponding update. Enough in this case implies that any subset of replicas used to recover upon a leader crash must have at least one server containing that update.

Now, I think that your optimization works only in the special case that the client that issued the operation is connected to a follower and we have 3 replicas, assuming majority quorums. If the client is connected to the leader directly, then it doesn't work. It also doesn't work if we need to tolerate at least 2 crashes, independent of the status of the replica the client is connected to.

by requiring f ACKs, you can tolerate f-1 failures. but then you don't
really need 2f+1 nodes in the ZK cluster, just f+1 is enough.

This derivation might be obvious, but let me put it down for completeness at least. Say that we use at least q servers to recover upon a leader crash. To ensure progress, we need at least "n >= q + f" replicas, where f is a threshold on the number of simultaneous crashes you're willing to tolerate. If "q <= f", then we can't guarantee that transactions committed during a recovery step are durable, since another subsequent recovery step might not have any replica in common with the previous one. Consequently, we have that q is at least f+1, which gives us "n >= 2f + 1"

Does it make sense?

-Flavio

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