Hi Leo,

> Nah...there's work going on in avalon in different areas. 
> Everything you 
> find at http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/avalon is in development 
> and supported. Everything not there is "in development" and 
> unstable by 
> definition.

Well, I started with newest Avalon and Excalibur from this location, but run into a 
lot of deprecated API usage and Fortress is not part of this Excalibur archive anyway 
... further comments below.

> Merlin is alpha code, fortress and ECM aren't. ECM has been stable a 
> long time. Fortress is basically finished and we're cleaning 
> things up 
> so it can be released (basic roadmap: logkit release coming up, then 
> framework, then ECM, then fortress, then phoenix). I think you'll see 
> lots of development and work going into merlin, with lots of changes, 
> after those releases (I for one have lots of plans :D).

Yes, I've seen the plans for the dveelopment lines :)

> yep. Merlin _is_ a quickly moving target. It is not intended for 
> 'newbies' at this stage.

Yes and no. No from a "product view", yes from a "technical view", since any of the 
other containers will be adapted/integrated into Merlin at some stage.

> It doesn't make too much sense to write a lot of docs right 
> now because 
> things will change and the docs will no longer be correct.

Perfectly understandable.

> > Looking at the time I already spent and the results I reached, I am
> > currently really somewhat frustrated. Any help welcome ...
> 
> I hear ya. Merlin is a complex beast (but becoming less so). I would 
> suggest that if you just want to actually develop software, you stick 
> with stable (or at least beta) packages. Running along with merlin is 
> cool (interesting stuff going on), but you have to realize it 
> is out on the edge.

Yes, I realize this, but well, see below.

>[...]
> 
> PS: don't worry too much about those deprecation warnings. 
> The Component 
> interface and friends are about as deprecated as 
> java.util.Vector, but 
> slightly less so. IOW: They'll be around.


See my way: I started with pure Avalon framework, when I stumbled over ECM in DwA. 
Analog code to DwA based on ECM resulted in the usage of deprecated API. This is 
something our QA will not accept. I realized, that the deprecation became soft for 
4.1.4 and therefore I started to compile the necessary Avalon stuff myself. The 
framework and LogKit compiled fine for a distribution - Excalibur did not, because of 
errors in intrument-manager. Now AltRMI is in transition state and I still have not 
working Fortress.

But, you may have read my answer to Steve already, I do not feel to comfortable 
running all my components in separate threads ... what does Fortress?

Regards,
J�rg

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