On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Benjamin Graf <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> wrote: > Hi Claus, > > Thanks so far. But did you find a workaround for setting the NO_START flag? >
Maybe you can set it using a <bean> in Spring? Its a static method. Somehow configure in Spring XML to invoke this NO_START method and set its value to false. > Regards, > Benjamin > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> Datum: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:23:49 +0100 >> Von: Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> >> An: users@camel.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: Camel context autostartup > >> Hi >> >> The documentation for autoStartup did indicate the current behavior >> http://camel.apache.org/maven/current/camel-core/apidocs/org/apache/camel/RuntimeConfiguration.html#setAutoStartup(java.lang.Boolean) >> >> I have logged a ticket >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CAMEL-5759 >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Benjamin Graf <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> >> wrote: >> > >> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> >> Datum: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:20:09 +0100 >> >> Von: Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> >> >> An: users@camel.apache.org >> >> Betreff: Re: Camel context autostartup >> > >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Benjamin Graf <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> > The "poor" OSGi runtime is JBoss OSGi which is still a technology >> >> preview but is a feature of JBoss AS7. >> >> > >> >> > I know Karaf but it is no alternative for me. Might change sometime >> if >> >> karaf has been integrated into JBoss. >> >> > >> >> > May be the Fuse (RedHat) guys out there can tell something about >> that! >> >> ;-) >> >> >> >> I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you :) Okay just >> >> kidding of course. >> > >> > :-) >> > >> >> >> >> I know the autoStartup name is a poor name on the <camelContext> but >> >> it was as said inheirted from the routes. >> >> Are you using spring-dm or OSGi Blueprint? I think in the latter we >> >> have a sort of a "hack" to disable starting CamelContext, which is >> >> used for some special tests. There is a static method on >> >> SpringCamelContext which can be set to true to not start. >> > >> > Yes I'm using spring-dm and tried to set NO_START to false, but I always >> got the wrong thread. Maybe you know a good way to solve that? >> > >> >> >> >> As we need to preserve backwards compatibility I wonder if we should >> >> introduce a new option on CamelContext to instruct it to skip >> >> starting. But if so, what should it do? >> >> >> >> How would you start it? As it would possible need some logic to at >> >> least bootstrap a piece so it can either >> >> - enlist a CamelContextMBean in JMX so you can start it from JMX. >> >> - register a CamelContext in OSGi service registry so you can start it >> >> from OSGi >> >> - or as now, but just have its state listed as started=false, >> >> stopped=true. But do all its boostrap logic to enlist routes im JMX, >> >> osgi stuff and whatnot. >> > >> > Well, I would prefer something like: >> > - enlist a CamelContextMBean in JMX so you can start/stop it from JMX. >> > Yes I know in OSGi it is quite another managed lifecycle, but so you can >> autostart stuff around the camel context to be preinitialized. >> > - state listed as started=false (just do not invoke the stuff start() or >> as less as possible) >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> >> >> Datum: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:21:24 +0100 >> >> >> Von: Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> >> >> >> An: users@camel.apache.org >> >> >> Betreff: Re: Camel context autostartup >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Benjamin Graf >> <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> >> >> >> Datum: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:30:36 +0100 >> >> >> >> Von: Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> An: users@camel.apache.org >> >> >> >> Betreff: Re: Camel context autostartup >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Benjamin Graf >> >> <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi Claus, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > thanks so far. But does any method exists to avoid auto >> starting >> >> >> context >> >> >> >> using Spring OSGi with bundles activated? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, but you can if possible just dont start the bundle itself. >> And >> >> >> >> then start the bundle to start Camel. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Well, that's a problem. My OSGi runtime does not support this >> feature >> >> >> yet. :-( I was hoping camel autostartup is a good workaround. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> This must be a poor OSGi runtime, which can't manage lifecycle of >> the >> >> >> bundles. >> >> >> What do you use? >> >> >> >> >> >> And I am sure you are aware of Apache Karaf which is a great OSGi >> >> runtime. >> >> >> http://karaf.apache.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The problem is that there is a chicken-egg situation. >> CamelContext >> >> >> >> need to be started so people can start it, using eg JMX etc. >> >> >> >> And for that the context needs to be started to enlist in JMX >> etc. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That's why I actually have written my own JMX Service for >> >> >> starting/stopping context via JMX which is not dependant if context >> has >> >> been started yet. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Maybe worth changing that behaviour at all? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Benjamin >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> >> >> >> >> Datum: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:33:49 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> Von: Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> An: users@camel.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> Betreff: Re: Camel context autostartup >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> The autostartup options is for controlling if *routes* should >> be >> >> >> auto >> >> >> >> >> started or not. >> >> >> >> >> Not the actual CamelContext itself. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The naming could have been better, but the option was first on >> >> >> <route> >> >> >> >> >> and then later inherited on <camelContext> to make a single >> >> switch. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Benjamin Graf >> >> >> <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Hi, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > can anybody explain me why camel context state is set to >> >> started >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> >> autostartup >> >> >> >> >> > is set to false? This sound a bit odd to me. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Best, >> >> >> >> >> > Benjamin >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> Claus Ibsen >> >> >> >> >> ----------------- >> >> >> >> >> Red Hat, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >> >> >> >> >> Email: cib...@redhat.com >> >> >> >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: davsclaus >> >> >> >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> >> >> >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Claus Ibsen >> >> >> >> ----------------- >> >> >> >> Red Hat, Inc. >> >> >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >> >> >> >> Email: cib...@redhat.com >> >> >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> >> >> >> Twitter: davsclaus >> >> >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> >> >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Claus Ibsen >> >> >> ----------------- >> >> >> Red Hat, Inc. >> >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >> >> >> Email: cib...@redhat.com >> >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> >> >> Twitter: davsclaus >> >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Claus Ibsen >> >> ----------------- >> >> Red Hat, Inc. >> >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >> >> Email: cib...@redhat.com >> >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> >> Twitter: davsclaus >> >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen >> >> >> >> -- >> Claus Ibsen >> ----------------- >> Red Hat, Inc. >> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >> Email: cib...@redhat.com >> Web: http://fusesource.com >> Twitter: davsclaus >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen -- Claus Ibsen ----------------- Red Hat, Inc. 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