On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, user3152723 <unto.valko...@fifthelement.fi> wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for your reply! Camel is just great framework and your book is "a > must" resource for Camel user (says ex Mule user). > > Still I'd like to insist to hear your opinion: when do we not need to use > blueprint osgi? It seems to me that if you use current version of Fuse, you > can't but use osgi (and blueprint with that). >
Yes JBoss Fuse 6.1 is Karaf containers only. So that means OSGi deployments. Though you can deploy WAR files too (but they may not all work as they still run in OSGi and not everything works with OSGi). All that is changing with Fabric8 1.1 and Fuse 6.2 where you can manage and provision many more containers. > OK. Karaf is new kind of server which takes its learnging effort and it is > worth it. (I know about your RedHat backround :). > Yeah the Karaf container has great functionality for devops guys, eg web and cli shell / plugins can be installed / you can script it / jaas / security / logging and much more. Makes a container like Tomcat pale in comparison. Unfortunately I would love to use a plain dumb Tomcat WAR classloader in Karaf and not have all the OSGi complexity for my deployments and developments. > > rg > Camel User > > ________________________________ > Lähettäjä: Claus Ibsen-2 [via Camel] > [ml-node+s465427n5754285...@n5.nabble.com] > Lähetetty: 23. heinäkuuta 2014 11:09 > Vastaanottaja: Unto Valkonen > Aihe: Re: What would be the benefits of running Camle on osgi? > > Ups meant to add OSGi in there as well > >> Well IMHO a big part of f the learning curve is IMHO and the fact that > Karaf is a new kind of application server, that most people have not > used before. > > Should be > > Well IMHO a big part of f the learning curve is OSGi and the fact that > Karaf is a new kind of application server, that most people have not > used before. > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Claus Ibsen <[hidden > email]<UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:21 AM, user3152723 >> <[hidden email]<UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: >>> Tank you for the answers! >>> >>> I can now see that I mixed up names and things and frameworks. Fuse is based >>> on Karaf; when you start (RedHat) Fuse you meet Karaf console. >>> >>> And about testing Camel "osgi-blueprint" routes: Check Camel in Action: in >>> the osgi example of the book, there is not even test-folder in the project. >>> All other examples in the book (as in Camel docs) are effectively spring >>> tests plain. (OK, example is about using osgi, not testing osgi. But then >>> the book is missing a chapter "testing with osgi".) >>> >> >> When the book was authored there was no easy way of doing unit testing >> with OSGi. >> >> The camel-test-blueprint module was introduced from Camel 2.10 >> onwards. And the book was printed when Camel 2.5.0 was the latest. >> >> The newer book >> http://www.packtpub.com/apache-camel-developers-cookbook/book >> >> has also a testing chapter, and a section about testing blueprint routes. >> >> >>> So there seems to be quite a "learning curve" when starting to use Fuse. But >>> interesting challenge to meet :). >>> >> >> Well IMHO a big part of f the learning curve is IMHO and the fact that >> Karaf is a new kind of application server, that most people have not >> used before. >> >> That is all going to chance in fabric8 1.1 onwards, where you have a >> lot more freedom and choices. For example you can use well known >> containers such as Apache Tomcat, Wildfly, Jetty, Spring Boot, or >> whatever. And just do development without OSGi such as plain WAR / >> spring / CDI / or whatever. >> >> Here is a blog and video post showing fabric8 with Apache Tomcat >> http://www.christianposta.com/blog/?p=393 >> >> JBoss Fuse 6.2 will include latest fabric8 release as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> rg, >>> full time Camel User >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/What-would-be-the-benefits-of-running-Camle-on-osgi-tp5754201p5754278.html >>> Sent from the Camel - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> -- >> Claus Ibsen >> ----------------- >> Red Hat, Inc. >> Email: [hidden email]<UrlBlockedError.aspx> >> Twitter: davsclaus >> Blog: http://davsclaus.com >> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen >> hawtio: http://hawt.io/ >> fabric8: http://fabric8.io/ > > > > -- > Claus Ibsen > ----------------- > Red Hat, Inc. > Email: [hidden email]<UrlBlockedError.aspx> > Twitter: davsclaus > Blog: http://davsclaus.com > Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > hawtio: http://hawt.io/ > fabric8: http://fabric8.io/ > > > ________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/What-would-be-the-benefits-of-running-Camle-on-osgi-tp5754201p5754285.html > To start a new topic under Camel - Users, email > ml-node+s465427n46542...@n5.nabble.com > To unsubscribe from Camel - Users, click > here<http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=465428&code=dW50by52YWxrb25lbkBmaWZ0aGVsZW1lbnQuZml8NDY1NDI4fC0xNjkxNTczNjI4>. > NAML<http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/VS-What-would-be-the-benefits-of-running-Camle-on-osgi-tp5754288.html > Sent from the Camel - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Claus Ibsen ----------------- Red Hat, Inc. 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