I test the same case on other environment, create template from snapshot, acs 
4.9.2.0 and XenServer 6.5/iscsi

1. Was created two snapshots

# ls -lh 
/var/cloud_mount/e5921d9a-70b0-3501-9fda-6097e721fffb/snapshots/131/617/
total 3.0G
-rw-r--r-- 1 4294967294 root  13G Oct 26 13:46 
42c7c51d-4aa7-40d2-b5eb-cb56fc963974.vhd
-rw-r--r-- 1 4294967294 root 1.2G Oct 26 14:42 
53b33a5a-a7d9-4efa-b126-38eec5482b05.vhd

https://i.imgur.com/cSHZAJ3.png

2. create a template from latest snapshot

# ls -lh
total 37M
-rw-r--r-- 1 4294967294 root 1.2G Oct 26 14:43 
637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16.vhd
-rw-r--r-- 1 4294967294 root  303 Oct 26 14:43 template.properties

# cat template.properties 
#Thu Oct 26 16:43:54 UTC 2017
filename=637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16.vhd
id=1
vhd=true
vhd.filename=637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16.vhd
public=true
uniquename=637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16
vhd.virtualsize=21474836480
virtualsize=21474836480
hvm=
vhd.size=1197752832
size=1197752832

# md5sum 
/var/cloud_mount/e5921d9a-70b0-3501-9fda-6097e721fffb/snapshots/131/617/53b33a5a-a7d9-4efa-b126-38eec5482b05.vhd
 
9d2078a6f41ca5e1eab824848c06df53  
/var/cloud_mount/e5921d9a-70b0-3501-9fda-6097e721fffb/snapshots/131/617/53b33a5a-a7d9-4efa-b126-38eec5482b05.vhd

# md5sum 
/var/cloud_mount/e5921d9a-70b0-3501-9fda-6097e721fffb/template/tmpl/2/294/637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16.vhd
 
9d2078a6f41ca5e1eab824848c06df53  
/var/cloud_mount/e5921d9a-70b0-3501-9fda-6097e721fffb/template/tmpl/2/294/637604a6-3085-444e-ba09-b9aab11a2c16.vhd

ACS not merge files of snapshots in a single file for template, I think it's a 
bug.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com] 
Sent: quarta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2017 22:51
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Strange size of template from snapshot on XenServer

It is easy to test, get one of these files and try to use them in Virtualbox. 
If they run, they do not require anything else.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Lotic Lists <li...@lotic.com.br> wrote:

> Sure but files on secondary storage don't have parents, I don't know 
> if ACS can connect standalone files.
>
> vhd-util scan -f -m'*.vhd' -p
> vhd=14818597-55bb-49be-9ace-761e9e01c074.vhd capacity=311385128960
> size=304124744192 hidden=0 parent=none 
> vhd=bbd9e9b5-53fb-44a2-afbe-f262396a2d84.vhd capacity=311385128960
> size=17770869248 hidden=0 parent=none
> vhd=3b90bbb2-7ce5-41f6-9f7e-fd0ea061cb2d.vhd capacity=311385128960
> size=52199817728 hidden=0 parent=none
> vhd=4b450217-c9ad-45a2-946b-de3cb323469b.vhd capacity=311385128960
> size=51615670784 hidden=0 parent=none
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com]
> Sent: quarta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2017 22:35
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Strange size of template from snapshot on XenServer
>
> If it was not executing coalesce you would see the parent reference 
> when you listed the hierarchy, right?
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Lotic Lists <li...@lotic.com.br> wrote:
>
> > I think ACS preserve all VHDs for coalesce but coalesce not occur 
> > when create a template or before starting next snapshot scheduled.
> > If I create a template from any snapshots (2) showing in GUI, the 
> > template have 49GB. 49 GB is the size of the 2 latest files on 
> > secondary
> storage.
> >
> > What do you think? Bug?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: quarta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2017 22:07
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Strange size of template from snapshot on XenServer
> >
> > Aha, The two destroyed entries are showing " removed: NULL".
> >
> > In ACS one thing is the "destroying" of a resource, another is the 
> > removal of this resource from the system. I believe there is 
> > something to do with the expunge interval, but I am not sure if the 
> > snapshots complete removal also happens within the expunge interval 
> > of user VMs or if it is configured by something else.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Lotic Lists <li...@lotic.com.br>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I not start manual snapshot, just scheduled with keep=2
> > >
> > > GUI showing 2 snapshots, database showing 4 entries, 2 Destroyed 
> > > and
> > > 2 BackedUp
> > >
> > > *************************** 132. row ***************************
> > >               id: 6380
> > >   data_center_id: 2
> > >       account_id: 64
> > >        domain_id: 49
> > >        volume_id: 2102
> > > disk_offering_id: 230
> > >           status: Destroyed
> > >             path: NULL
> > >             name: FullCRM_ROOT-542_20171022030205
> > >             uuid: 1294cdb7-01bf-4e76-b4c0-11b3c6b395e9
> > >    snapshot_type: 4
> > > type_description: DAILY
> > >             size: 311385128960
> > >          created: 2017-10-22 03:02:05
> > >          removed: NULL
> > >   backup_snap_id: NULL
> > >         swift_id: NULL
> > >       sechost_id: NULL
> > >     prev_snap_id: NULL
> > >  hypervisor_type: XenServer
> > >          version: 2.2
> > >            s3_id: NULL
> > >         min_iops: NULL
> > >         max_iops: NULL
> > > *************************** 133. row ***************************
> > >               id: 6416
> > >   data_center_id: 2
> > >       account_id: 64
> > >        domain_id: 49
> > >        volume_id: 2102
> > > disk_offering_id: 230
> > >           status: Destroyed
> > >             path: NULL
> > >             name: FullCRM_ROOT-542_20171023030205
> > >             uuid: 0a8067a3-ad15-40b6-8b16-c1881d7d9f41
> > >    snapshot_type: 4
> > > type_description: DAILY
> > >             size: 311385128960
> > >          created: 2017-10-23 03:02:05
> > >          removed: NULL
> > >   backup_snap_id: NULL
> > >         swift_id: NULL
> > >       sechost_id: NULL
> > >     prev_snap_id: NULL
> > >  hypervisor_type: XenServer
> > >          version: 2.2
> > >            s3_id: NULL
> > >         min_iops: NULL
> > >         max_iops: NULL
> > > *************************** 134. row ***************************
> > >               id: 6455
> > >   data_center_id: 2
> > >       account_id: 64
> > >        domain_id: 49
> > >        volume_id: 2102
> > > disk_offering_id: 230
> > >           status: BackedUp
> > >             path: NULL
> > >             name: FullCRM_ROOT-542_20171024030207
> > >             uuid: 1ca646e5-a155-4a59-aa31-5889eec7536f
> > >    snapshot_type: 4
> > > type_description: DAILY
> > >             size: 311385128960
> > >          created: 2017-10-24 03:02:07
> > >          removed: NULL
> > >   backup_snap_id: NULL
> > >         swift_id: NULL
> > >       sechost_id: NULL
> > >     prev_snap_id: NULL
> > >  hypervisor_type: XenServer
> > >          version: 2.2
> > >            s3_id: NULL
> > >         min_iops: NULL
> > >         max_iops: NULL
> > > *************************** 135. row ***************************
> > >               id: 6497
> > >   data_center_id: 2
> > >       account_id: 64
> > >        domain_id: 49
> > >        volume_id: 2102
> > > disk_offering_id: 230
> > >           status: BackedUp
> > >             path: NULL
> > >             name: FullCRM_ROOT-542_20171025030208
> > >             uuid: 759d61dc-e3db-4815-b68b-b90904ccbda5
> > >    snapshot_type: 4
> > > type_description: DAILY
> > >             size: 311385128960
> > >          created: 2017-10-25 03:02:08
> > >          removed: NULL
> > >   backup_snap_id: NULL
> > >         swift_id: NULL
> > >       sechost_id: NULL
> > >     prev_snap_id: NULL
> > >  hypervisor_type: XenServer
> > >          version: 2.2
> > >            s3_id: NULL
> > >         min_iops: NULL
> > >         max_iops: NULL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: quarta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2017 21:50
> > > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Strange size of template from snapshot on XenServer
> > >
> > > The file "14818597-55bb-49be-9ace-761e9e01c074.vhd" seems more 
> > > like a manual snapshot. It was created 2 hours after the "normal" 
> > > time. I would check these snapshots in ACS and see how they are presented.
> > > BTW, how many snapshots is ACS showing for this volume? I would 
> > > also check the "snapshots" table for the volume you have configured them.
> > > select * from snapshots where volume_id = ?
> > >
> > > you may also filter for removed:
> > > select * from snapshots where volume_id = ? and removed is null
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Lotic Lists <li...@lotic.com.br>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Rafael, I check
> > > >
> > > > # ls -lrt
> > > > total 285368382
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 304124744192 Oct 22 03:28
> > > > 14818597-55bb-49be-9ace- 761e9e01c074.vhd
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  17770869248 Oct 23 01:10
> > > > bbd9e9b5-53fb-44a2-afbe- f262396a2d84.vhd
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  52199817728 Oct 24 01:30
> > > > 3b90bbb2-7ce5-41f6-9f7e- fd0ea061cb2d.vhd
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  51615670784 Oct 25 01:28
> > > > 4b450217-c9ad-45a2-946b- de3cb323469b.vhd
> > > >
> > > > # vhd-util scan -f -m'*.vhd' -p
> > > > vhd=14818597-55bb-49be-9ace-761e9e01c074.vhd 
> > > > capacity=311385128960
> > > > size=304124744192 hidden=0 parent=none 
> > > > vhd=bbd9e9b5-53fb-44a2-afbe-f262396a2d84.vhd 
> > > > capacity=311385128960
> > > > size=17770869248 hidden=0 parent=none 
> > > > vhd=3b90bbb2-7ce5-41f6-9f7e-fd0ea061cb2d.vhd 
> > > > capacity=311385128960
> > > > size=52199817728 hidden=0 parent=none 
> > > > vhd=4b450217-c9ad-45a2-946b-de3cb323469b.vhd 
> > > > capacity=311385128960
> > > > size=51615670784 hidden=0 parent=none
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: quarta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2017 20:44
> > > > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Strange size of template from snapshot on XenServer
> > > >
> > > > Did you check the hierarchy of those snapshot files in your 
> > > > secondary storage?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Lotic Lists 
> > > > <li...@lotic.com.br>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone identify problems with templates from snapshots on
> XenServer?
> > > > >
> > > > > I created a recurrent snapshot, first VHD on secondary storage 
> > > > > have a similar size of volume. If I create a template from 
> > > > > latest snapshot, the size of VHD of template is smaller equal 
> > > > > from last snapshot, I think CloudStack/Xenserver not coalesce 
> > > > > VHD files of secondary storage for create the template
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I keep two recurrent snapshots, on secondary storage have four
> files.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Environment is ACS 4.9.3.0 and XenServer 6.5, primary storage 
> > > > > is PreSetup with ISCSI.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcelo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rafael Weingärtner
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rafael Weingärtner
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rafael Weingärtner
> >
> >
>
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> Rafael Weingärtner
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