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> On 24 Dec 2018, at 08:36, Rafael Weingärtner <rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> It would be great to have your presence :)
> My idea is to have a call after this period of Christmas and New Year’s
> Eve. I will let you guys know when I get the dates and time.
> 
> Thanks for your (the ACS community) time, attention, and effort so far.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:04 PM Tim Mackey <tmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Rafael,
>> 
>> I can't do a call next week, but the following week I should be able to.
>> The tracks look great. From my side, assuming I can get travel approval,
>> I'll submit on the cloud security track. Regulations are part of my life
>> these days!
>> 
>> -tim
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 10:19 AM Rafael Weingärtner <
>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> No date has been set yet. Next week I will contact them again, and then I
>>> will reach the community here to set a date. Thanks for the willingness
>> to
>>> make this happen! Your participation is essential. You guys have great
>> use
>>> cases of ACS.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM Ricardo Makino <ricardo.n...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>> 
>>>> I am able to join you in the call, when do you expect it happening?
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe we can use doodle (https://doodle.com) to check the schedule of
>>> all
>>>> involved in the call.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> --
>>>> Ricardo Makino
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have submitted the tracks. The next step now is to schedule a
>> meeting
>>>>> with the TDC organizers again. However, at this time, I need some of
>>> you
>>>> in
>>>>> the call. We will be discussing channels to spread the word regarding
>>> the
>>>>> conference, talks selection process, maybe branding (CCC, Apache
>>>>> CloudStack) with the TDC, and so on. Who would be willing to join me
>> in
>>>>> this call?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here go the details of the tracks that I submitted.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Track Name:* Cloud Orchestration
>>>>>> *Track slogan:* Meet the cloud builders and learn how clouds are
>>>> created
>>>>>> *Track description:*
>>>>>> Computing resources became a commodity, and as such, they are sold
>>> and
>>>>>> consumed and billed on demand. Cloud computing provided all of that
>>>> with
>>>>>> resiliency, elasticity, and scalability; thus, it is enabling
>>> companies
>>>>> to
>>>>>> efficiently use computing resources.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The cloud orchestration track will address topics regarding
>> features,
>>>> and
>>>>>> cloud orchestration systems design (e.g. CloudStack, and OpenStack)
>>> and
>>>>>> cloud data center structure. Moreover, the audience will have the
>>>>>> opportunity to meet the people behind the cloud orchestration
>> systems
>>>>>> mostly deployed in the world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Targeted audience:*
>>>>>> he main audience is cloud operators/administrators that are dealing
>>> on
>>>> a
>>>>>> daily basis with cloud computing platforms. Other interested
>> parties
>>>> are
>>>>>> cloud developers (developers interested in working at the base of
>> the
>>>>>> cloud, and not just on consuming cloud resources), cloud
>> consultants
>>>> and
>>>>>> business people that work creating, deploying, and maintaining
>> cloud
>>>>>> computing environments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Track Name:* Cloud DevOps
>>>>>> *Track slogan:* Get together with other cloud administrators and
>>>>>> developers and share your daily hacks!
>>>>>> *Track description:*
>>>>>> Companies are either creating private clouds or using public clouds
>>>>>> (sometimes doing both at the same time). This track provides a
>> space
>>>> for
>>>>>> system administrators and developers to share their day-to-day
>> tasks
>>>> and
>>>>>> hacks when consuming cloud resources or maintaining cloud
>>> environments.
>>>>>> *Targeted audience:*
>>>>>> The targeted audience is cloud developers (cloud consumers) or
>> cloud
>>>>>> administrators that use in a daily bases cloud resources and or
>> cloud
>>>>>> platforms.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Track Name:* Cloud testing and QA
>>>>>> *Track slogan:* Let’s find out how people assure quality and cope
>>> with
>>>>>> the scale and dynamism of the cloud at the same time
>>>>>> *Track description:*
>>>>>> We all talk about agile development and the speed, elasticity, and
>>>>>> cost-effective nature of cloud environments. It is a challenge for
>>>>>> developers, testers and team leaders to provide software quality
>>>>> assurance
>>>>>> in ever shorter development cycles.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The solution for reducing development cycles, optimizing
>> development
>>>> and
>>>>>> testing efforts, and make the most of the cloud is automation.
>> Thus,
>>>>>> continuous integration, delivery, and deployment are the buzzwords
>>> that
>>>>>> come to save the day of DevOps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Targeted audience:*
>>>>>> Developers and testers that take advantage cloud resources to
>> enable
>>>> the
>>>>>> development of more efficient, stable, and reliable applications.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Track Name:* Cloud open ecosystem
>>>>>> *Track slogan:* Let’s discover together the business and job
>>>>>> opportunities that we have in the cloud.
>>>>>> *Track description:*
>>>>>> The cloud is everywhere, from your local pizza shop to large
>>> retailers.
>>>>>> This track focus on the cloud ecosystem, the job market, business
>>>>>> opportunities, and the management process of highly heterogeneous
>> and
>>>>>> distributed communities in OpenSource (such as CloudStack and
>>>> OpenStack)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, have you ever wondered… who are the cloud players that you
>> have
>>>>>> nearby? What are the business opportunities in the cloud? How is
>> the
>>>> life
>>>>>> of a developer that creates clouds? And what about cloud admins?!
>> How
>>>>> does
>>>>>> someone get into the cloud realm? Are the cloud people green?!
>> Stop
>>>>>> wondering, and board this track to discover the answers for these
>>>>> questions
>>>>>> and many other interesting facts about the Cloud OpenSource world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Targeted audience:*
>>>>>> Everybody, from business people to developers that either work with
>>>> cloud
>>>>>> or want to get into the cloud world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Track Name: *Cloud security
>>>>>> *Track slogan:* Cloud security, have you heard of it? And, what
>> about
>>>>>> privacy in the cloud? Let’s get together  and discuss the security
>>>>> aspects
>>>>>> of the cloud
>>>>>> *Track description:*
>>>>>> As cloud becomes pervasive, it is rare for us not to use it.
>>> Therefore,
>>>>>> the cloud impacts constantly our daily life. Moreover, we are
>> storing
>>>>> most
>>>>>> of our data in the cloud. Is that data protected? Is the cloud
>>>> protecting
>>>>>> our privacy? And, what about the GDPR? How will the cloud get ready
>>> to
>>>>>> protect users privacy and provide control over their data?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This track focuses on discussing and presenting security aspects in
>>>> cloud
>>>>>> computing; privacy issues (relating to GDPR), DDoS and QoS, and so
>>> on.
>>>>>> Moreover, it is a great opportunity to evaluate the impact of
>>>> regulations
>>>>>> such as GDPR, on the cloud.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Targeted audience:*
>>>>>> Everybody, from business people to developers that either work with
>>>> cloud
>>>>>> or want to get into the cloud world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am very thankful if you reached here. This means that I did waste
>>> time
>>>>> writing all of this ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:22 PM Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback guys. Sorry or the top post, but I missed
>> the
>>>>>> time, and I think it is easier to reply on top.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brilliant Idea Makino; the security aspects of cloud environments
>> are
>>>>>> sometimes overlooked. I will add that. Thanks for the suggestion
>> and
>>>>>> support to me this happen ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the support as well Cristian. It is going to be great to
>>>> make
>>>>>> this happen with you guys.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gabriel, it is not restricted to committers/PMCs. Anybody (users,
>>>>>> developers, committers, PMCs, and even OpenStackers that might be
>>>>>> eavesdropping our lists…) are more than welcome to help to make
>> this
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marco and Tim, it is going to be great to have your support as well
>>>>> either
>>>>>> helping to promote or to review talk proposals.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, I will proceed with proposing the topics as follows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   - Cloud computing (area/topic)
>>>>>>      - cloud orchestration -- this would be the track where topics
>>>>>>      regarding features, and cloud orchestration systems (e.g.
>>>>> CloudStack)
>>>>>>      design and structure would be presented
>>>>>>      - DevOps -- track for presentations that address the
>> day-to-day
>>>> of
>>>>>>      CloudStack (or OpenStack) developers and the daily life of
>>>>> operators with
>>>>>>      tasks such as debugging and troubleshooting
>>>>>>      - tests -- track for discussing the Q&A process and testing
>>>> methods
>>>>>>      for clouds
>>>>>>      - cloud open source ecosystem -- track focusing on the cloud
>>>>>>      ecosystem, where people can address things relating the job
>>>> market,
>>>>>>      business opportunities, and the management process of highly
>>>>> heterogeneous
>>>>>>      and distributed communities in OpenSource (such as
>> CloudStack)
>>>>>>      - cloud security – track for discussing and presenting
>> security
>>>>>>      aspects in cloud computing; privacy issues (GDPR), DDoS and
>>> QoS,
>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, thank you very much for your inputs. I will now proceed to
>>>> propose
>>>>>> the tracks, and then I will get back to you guys to define a date
>> to
>>>> set
>>>>> a
>>>>>> call, so we can discuss this further with TDC’s tracks coordinators
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:27 PM Marco Sinhoreli <
>>>>>> marco.sinhor...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am available to help since I am in Brazil and I have in local
>>>>> community
>>>>>>> many ACS users that want to talk in CCC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Makino and Cristian are involved a long time with CloudStack
>>> and
>>>>>>> they can help us to have a great event!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marco Sinhoreli
>>>>>>> Latam Technical Director
>>>>>>> marco.sinhor...@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>> mobile: +55 21 98276 3636
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Av. Brigadeiro Faria Lima, 3144 - 2º andar – Jardim
>>>>>>> Paulistano, São Paulo, SP, Brasil, 01451-000
>>>>>>> Phone: + 55 11 3568-2877
>>>>>>> http://www.shapeblue.com/ | twitter: @shapeblue
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Em 19/12/2018 15:55, "Tim Mackey" <tmac...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Gabriel,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    I'm happy to help review proposals if required.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    -tim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:35 PM Gabriel Beims Bräscher <
>>>>>>>    gabrasc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am available to help, count on me!
>>>>>>>> I have one question. Can anyone (one that is not a
>>>> PMC/Committer)
>>>>>>> help to
>>>>>>>> review presentations?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The divisions for the CFP looks good, adding security
>> aspects
>>> as
>>>>>>> Ricardo
>>>>>>>> Makino proposed is also interesting.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Gabriel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Em qua, 19 de dez de 2018 às 11:12, Cristian Latapiat <
>>>>>>> latap...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael ,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am, therefore, available to collaborate and to help you
>> in
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> that may be necessary.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cristian
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Em seg, 17 de dez de 2018 às 18:49, Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Have you guys had time to read through this e-mail? Are
>>>> there
>>>>>>>> volunteers
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> help us make CCC happen in Brazil? We need to provide
>> them
>>>> the
>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> tracks that we will be participating until 21/12/2018.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:11 PM Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello CloudStackers,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I had a few meetings with the TDC folks, and we seem
>> to
>>> be
>>>>>>> moving on.
>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> have a slightly different organization than ApacheCon
>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> were asked to provide them with some “track topics”
>> that
>>>> fit
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> area
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Cloud Computing. Then, we could direct presentations
>> to
>>>> one
>>>>>>> of these
>>>>>>>>>>> tracks. The idea is that the international tracks (the
>>>> ones
>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> English) will not be parallelized to enable the
>> audience
>>>> to
>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> them (this means, one for each day). Also, the tracks
>>> will
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>>>>> presentations from other people that are not in our
>>>> bubble,
>>>>>>> and this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> great (at least I found this awesome), because
>> different
>>>>>>> people with
>>>>>>>>>>> different backgrounds would come together on the same
>>>> track,
>>>>>>> which in
>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>> means, people that might not know ACS would have the
>>>>>>> opportunity not
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> to meet the solution, but also the people behind it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> So, this is what I have in mind:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>   - Cloud computing (area/topic)
>>>>>>>>>>>      - cloud orchestration -- this would be the track
>>>> where
>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>>>>>      regarding features, and cloud orchestration
>>> systems
>>>>>>> (e.g.
>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack)
>>>>>>>>>>>      design and structure would be presented
>>>>>>>>>>>      - DevOps -- track for presentations that address
>>> the
>>>>>>> day-to-day
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>      CloudStack (or OpenStack) developers and the
>> daily
>>>>> life
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> operators with
>>>>>>>>>>>      tasks such as debugging and troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>>>>      - tests -- track for discussing the Q&A process
>>> and
>>>>>>> testing
>>>>>>>>> methods
>>>>>>>>>>>      for clouds
>>>>>>>>>>>      - cloud open source ecosystem -- track focusing
>> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>> cloud
>>>>>>>>>>>      ecosystem, where people can address things
>>> relating
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>> market,
>>>>>>>>>>>      business opportunities, and the management
>> process
>>>> of
>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>>> heterogeneous
>>>>>>>>>>>      and distributed communities in OpenSource (such
>> as
>>>>>>> CloudStack)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think of these divisions for the CFP?
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, we might need help to review and select
>>> presentation
>>>>>>> proposals.
>>>>>>>>>>> Would some of you guys be willing to help on this
>>> process?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> And last, but not least, it would be awesome if
>>> companies
>>>>>>> linked to
>>>>>>>> ACS
>>>>>>>>>>> are interested to be the sponsors of tracks or the
>>> event.
>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>> sent
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> the brochure and sponsorship prospects from 2018 so we
>>> can
>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> better the conference [1]. The attendance report and
>>>>>>> prospectus are
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> English, and for instance, in 2018 the TDC event in
>>>>>>> Florianopolis
>>>>>>>>> (where
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> are proposing to have CCC in 2019) received about 4000
>>>>>>> people. The
>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship prospectus for 2019 events is being
>>> prepared,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> I guess
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> there are interested parties on this, you can reach
>> them
>>>>>>> directly, or
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> you have some problems to do that, I can help you guys
>>> as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/53ujp2usf402dlj/AAA1a2jZPddGcAT8ZosRiGCAa?dl=0
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:16 PM Tutkowski, Mike <
>>>>>>>>>> mike.tutkow...@netapp.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Rafael!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The dates work for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rafael Weingärtner <
>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:02:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: users
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: dev
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CloudStack Collab in Brazil
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> NetApp Security WARNING: This is an external email.
>> Do
>>>> not
>>>>>>> click
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
>>> know
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they already have a date set. It should be 23 -
>>> 27
>>>>>>> April,
>>>>>>>> 2019.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I should be talking with them again this week to
>> check
>>>> what
>>>>>>> we need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think about these dates?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:07 PM Tutkowski, Mike <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mike.tutkow...@netapp.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a specific date in mind for CCC Brazil?
>>> It
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general, we are looking at April.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/18, 12:51 PM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
>>>>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    NetApp Security WARNING: This is an external
>>> email.
>>>>> Do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> click
>>>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender
>>> and
>>>>>>> know the
>>>>>>>>>>>> content is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Yes, that is what I also believe. From the
>>>> feedback,
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    use 10 presentations. I will move on with the
>>>>>>> organization. I
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    feasible to get more room space in case we
>>> receive
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    people. I will try to not overlap presentations
>>>>> though
>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    ApacheCon).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:36 PM Tutkowski, Mike
>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike.tutkow...@netapp.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on how many people expect
>> to
>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>> attend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ten presentation slots is probably a good
>>>> starting
>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 10:10:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CloudStack Collab in Brazil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NetApp Security WARNING: This is an external
>>>> email.
>>>>>>> Do not
>>>>>>>>> click
>>>>>>>>>>>>> links or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open attachments unless you recognize the
>>> sender
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you guys for the feedback!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will reach out the organizers to discuss
>> our
>>>>>>> requirements.
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys think that we need?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would 10 presentation slots (50min. each) be
>>>>> enough?
>>>>>>> Or, do
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we need more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I think that we should also do a
>>> Hackathon.
>>>>>>>> Therefore, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking for a room such as the one we used in
>>>>>>> Montreal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:03 PM Nicolas
>>> Vazquez <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicolas.vazq...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be interested in an event in Brazil
>>> as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nicolas Vazquez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher <
>>>>> gabrasc...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 11:58:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CloudStack Collab in Brazil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a Brazilian, that lives in
>> Florianópolis,
>>> I
>>>>>>> cannot pass
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count on me!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em seg, 1 de out de 2018 às 11:27,
>> Tutkowski,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike.tutkow...@netapp.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be really interested in an event
>> in
>>>>>>> Brazil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rafael Weingärtner <
>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 5:38 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CloudStack Collab in Brazil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NetApp Security WARNING: This is an
>>> external
>>>>>>> email. Do
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> click
>>>>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open attachments unless you recognize the
>>>>> sender
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Marco,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they run a very successful
>> conference
>>>>> every
>>>>>>> year. I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Montreal, and I talked with people
>>> there
>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, for all CloudStackers (users and
>>> devs);
>>>> I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montreal. The TDC conference will happen
>>> with
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only need to decide if we will join them
>> in
>>>>>>> their Cloud
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear much feedback here, but I will try
>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are part of the CloudStack
>> community
>>>>> (as a
>>>>>>>>>> contributor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user, operator, and so on), please do
>>> provide
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see a CloudStack Collab Conference in
>>>>>>> Florianopolis,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brazil,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only asking you guys, what you think. I
>> do
>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> logistics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems for some folks to attend a
>>>> conference
>>>>>>> this far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, about the city; the island has an
>>>> airport
>>>>>>> (airport
>>>>>>>>>> code =
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FLN).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, most flights to FLN will have a
>>>>>>> connection
>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRU (Sao
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paulo airport) or GIG (Rio de Janeiro
>>>> airport);
>>>>>>> KLM, AA,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Delta,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AirFrance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tap, and others have flights to FLN. I
>> have
>>>>> also
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English that can be used by your guys to
>>>> check
>>>>>>> the city.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can information not only about the
>>> city,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are pages in different languages such as
>>>>> English,
>>>>>>>> Spanish,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the language there is a button in
>>> the
>>>>>>> top-right
>>>>>>>>>>>> corner).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other links [2-3], you can find a guide
>>>>> (English
>>>>>>> only)
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> city; it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains a brief overview and some
>> details
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> Museums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beaches,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also be happy to answer any other
>>>>>>> question that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might have.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://turismo.sc.gov.br/en/cidade/florianopolis/#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.floripa-guide.com/attractions/about-florianopolis.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>> http://www.vivendofloripa.com.br/en/home/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 5:42 PM Marco
>>>>> Sinhoreli <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marco.sinhor...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know this conference, last year in
>> TDC
>>>>> Porto
>>>>>>> Alegre
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ACS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ansible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was very impressed with them event
>>>> support
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice approach involving community in
>> the
>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good penetration to prospect sponsors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am able to help you in this subject
>>>> since I
>>>>>>> am in
>>>>>>>>> Brazil
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marco Sinhoreli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marco.sinhor...@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +55 21 98276 3636
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Av. Brigadeiro Faria Lima, 3144 - 2º
>>> andar
>>>> –
>>>>>>> Jardim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paulistano, São Paulo, SP, Brasil,
>>>> 01451-000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: + 55 11 3568-2877
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.shapeblue.com/ | twitter:
>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/09/2018 08:37, "Rafael
>>> Weingärtner" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello fellow devs and users (pardon me
>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> cross
>>>>>>>>>> post),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I already contacted the PMC on this
>>> matter,
>>>>>>> and I am
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion to the whole community.
>> Let’s
>>>> see
>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack conference in Brazil, and
>>> let’s
>>>>>>> work to
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the rather shameful? situation
>> with
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CloudStack
>>>>>>>>>>>> Collab
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (CCC) in Brazil last year, I have been
>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the event. And, it seems that I found
>> it,
>>>> and
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already used to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a conference series in Brazil
>>>> called
>>>>>>> TDC (The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference) [1]. They run three
>>>> conferences a
>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Florianopolis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> São
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paulo, and Porto Alegre). They have
>> been
>>>>>>> running for
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attended the last one in São Paulo
>> (July
>>>>> 2018)
>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome. To
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys some numbers for the São Paulo
>>>>> event:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 4524 attendants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 6040 online-viewers (some talks are
>>> live
>>>>>>> streamed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 2927 corporate registrations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 63 different tracks, and more than
>> 300
>>>>> talks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 5 days of conference
>> (Tuesday-Saturday)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are in the process of
>>>> internationalizing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site is being translated, and they are
>>>>>>> preparing
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English/Spanish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CFPs and tracks. While talking with one
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> organizers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned that we have been doing
>>>>> collocated
>>>>>>> CCC
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ApacheCon and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love to see CCC in Brazil. Ant
>> it
>>>>>>> turns out,
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us there in Brazil as well. They
>> offered
>>> to
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ApacheCon provides us. We would only
>> need
>>>> to
>>>>>>> organize
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> CFP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection of the presentations. We
>> would
>>>> also
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rooms, hackathon spaces, and so on.
>> They
>>>> are
>>>>>>> proposing
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their Florianopolis TDC 2019, which
>> will
>>> be
>>>>>>> held in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Florianopolis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> city. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event will take place in April 2019
>>> (there
>>>> is
>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event to be canceled this time!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can coordinate this process with
>> them,
>>>> but
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys. That is why I would like to
>>>> discuss
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you think about the best dates to
>> run
>>> a
>>>>> CCC
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Brazil?
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event in April, other in Jully, and the
>>>> last
>>>>>>> one in
>>>>>>>>>>>> December.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can discuss and try to get approval to
>>> some
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> city/date,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommended Florianopolis/April event.
>>> (We
>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, and it seems that for an
>>>> international
>>>>>>> audience,
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> April date
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best one).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, would some of you be willing to
>>>> attend?
>>>>>>> I think
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers/PMCs is vital to meet face
>> to
>>>> face
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack there. And of course, the
>>> event
>>>> is
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> broader
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CloudStack. Therefore, we can show
>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people/companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am eager to hear your feedback guys
>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://www.thedevelopersconference.com.br/en
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicolas.vazq...@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E
>>> 9DP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cristian Latapiat
>>>>>>>>> (12)981281976
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Rafael Weingärtner
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Rafael Weingärtner

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