Hi, As far as standards are concerned, I am speaking of the forms implementation. I remember at one point it was being built around XForms before that was scrapped. Now however groups are working on adopting that as a standard for webapps: http://www.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-08-10.html On top of that, the forms implemenation, I think, is the third such implementation in the Cocoon project (the other were deprecated). Now I also hear about JSF as well as JSR-168 implementation. I think in order to feel comfortable adopting these implementations, I need to believe they won't be scrapped and that there is unifying model/philosophy behind where/what Cocoon will become as it further matures. Perhaps many of these projects should be spun out of Cocoon into subprojects rather than calling them blocks....akin to the Lenya app. **As it stands the Cocoon project is becoming too big and confusing as to what it really is.** This is a burden for neophytes. From the site's from page:
"The Apache Cocoon Project is the open source community project developing Apache Cocoon and Cocoon-based application frameworks." I can accept this, but where is the division that creates consumable parts? However, you are correct...standards is not what matters most. I accept "industry standards" b/c of wide ranging 3rd party support (e.g. servlet 2.3 spec) and/or clear advantages of one "platform" over another. Finally, running an app written mostly in xml makes me shake in my boots. I think Cocoon is great, but sometimes too much emphasis seems to be put into XML. I hope this helps rather than sounding like endless ramblings. If it is the latter, please accept my apologies, but I fear that Cocoon is outgrowing the garden. HTH, -Julian --- Derek Hohls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julian > > A quick question here before the debate goes > further; > what do you mean by "standards" ?? Cocoon is based > on Java and XML; the former an "industry standard" > (of > sorts) and the latter an open standard. In other > words, > Cocoon *is* built on a Java framework - maybe a > different > one from Struts...but there is the power of choice > for you! > You are not forced to adopt CForms if you adopt > Cocoon; > there was a recent article about using JSF > instead... of course > whether you think JSF is a "standard" is also open > to debate! > but, conversely, I am not clear why you think Struts > is > any better at "standards compliance"... > > 2c > Derek > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/09/10 04:16:55 PM >>> > Hi All, > > ***************************************************** > The basic question here is why not have a webapp > framework that supports both xml forms (CForms) and > a > java framework similiar to Struts? Moreover, is it > not true that having a simple Java framework as such > would be the building blocks from which CForms can > be/is built upon? IMHO, this would give developers > the freedom of choice when deciding upon Cocoon as a > webapp framework versus Struts (or others). > ***************************************************** > Reasoning: > I currently have Cocoon, but find myself being > disenfranchised. I love its power for easily > creating > pipelines and xml processing for publishing. > However, > I am looking for a webapp framework to build upon. > I > am not to happy with the idea of adopting CForms in > order to achieve a better seperation of concerns. > Also I am not willing to use XSP and actionsets. I > am > weary of implementing an enterprise app in (almost) > pure xml with a forms system that is not based on > standards. For me, writing an app in Java with some > XML that easily runs with the J2EE spec is much more > appealing. > > I am writing this in hopes of hearing ideas to > stay > with Cocoon. This is not a troll nor am I one . > > Thanks, > Julian > > ===== > Live simply so others may simply live. > > -Ghandi > > Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate. > "Entities should not be multiplied unneccesarily" > > -William of Occam > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their > support. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ===== Live simply so others may simply live. -Ghandi Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate. "Entities should not be multiplied unneccesarily" -William of Occam _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
