Conceptually I guess you can put it that way, yes.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM, CLEMENT Jean-Philippe <
jean-philippe.clem...@fr.thalesgroup.com> wrote:

> Do you mean ensure that fragments and services are deployed as a single
> transaction?
>
> JP
>
> [@@ OPEN @@]
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Milen Dyankov [mailto:milendyan...@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : mercredi 13 janvier 2016 13:57
> À : users@felix.apache.org
> Objet : Re: Specifying dependency between a bundle and a fragment bundle
>
> Thank you for your thoughts regarding replacing the service. However that
> is not really my concern. There are 2 aspects in the picture - the service
> itself and the UI to communicate with it.
> In traditional layered architecture one would refer to those as service
> layer an UI layer. Both are developed independenty and in more complex
> scenarios there could be N bundles providing UIs for working with M bundles
> providing services. In non-OSGi environment if I start application having
> correct modules (jar files and resources on the classpath) at runtime, I am
> kind of guaranteed to have a consistent change in both layers. In OSGi (or
> any dynamic modular system I guess) one change can be applied and the other
> one not (due to configuration, resolve issues, removed dependencies, ...)
> which can lead to UI functionality not matching the actual underlying
> services providing it. So what I'm struggling with is finding a way to keep
> the changes consistent across both layers. As in this particular case the
> changes to the UI layer are applied via fragment bundles and the changes to
> the service layer are applied by providing "regular" bundles, I'm looking
> for a way to express the relationship between those. I guess using
> Requirements and Capabilities would be perfect but to my understanding you
> can not use it for fragments.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:24 PM, CLEMENT Jean-Philippe <
> jean-philippe.clem...@fr.thalesgroup.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not too sure what you need, but I would say first that you
> > consider what you have (a text file) rather than what you need (a
> > service or services). It seems you see things through the provider
> > instead of the consumer.
> >
> > So, you have a button which calls a service S. Fine. Then you want S
> > to be the best service. So you just have to implement a service S
> > which is a proxy to T services and which will forward calls to the best
> T service.
> >
> > You can even reuse S instead of another T service. So, S is a proxy to
> > other S services. The proxy has the better ranking in order the button
> > to "find it". The proxy has to exclude itself from S service candidates.
> >
> > ...just a quick thought...
> >
> > JP
> >
> > [@@ OPEN @@]
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Milen Dyankov [mailto:milendyan...@gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi
> > 13 janvier 2016 11:10 À : users@felix.apache.org Objet : Specifying
> > dependency between a bundle and a fragment bundle
> >
> > Lets say I have a UI bundle that renders a button from template. The
> > template is just a text file(s) inside UI bundle. Clicking the button
> > calls a service (for the purpose of this example say one with the
> highest rank).
> >
> > The requirement is: change both the service that is called and the
> > button in consistent manner.
> >
> > The first part is easy:
> >  - To change the service one can simply provide a new bundle (call it
> > S) containing the new service implementation (with higher rank or
> > whatever else it takes to make it the one that service registry will
> > give to the UI bundle).
> >  - To change the button (or even replace it with something else) one
> > can provide a fragment bundle (call it FB) with updated template file(s).
> >
> > The question is, how to keep those consistent? That is, make sure that
> > either both S and FB are applied or none of them (lets assume S will
> > somehow ensure the service is registered or stop itself if it can't do
> so)!
> >
> > It seams one needs to somehow declare a bidirectional dependency (I
> > hate the way it sounds, but that's what it in fact is, isn't it)
> > between a bundle and a fragment bundle. AFAIK this is not really
> > possible as anything specified in fragment is applied to the host! Has
> > anyone faced similar challenge before?
> >
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