FB DV is Flash Builder Design View. I don't think there is much FB code that
is useful to the current teams building a Royale IDE. I don't know what the
future of FB is, but I don't think there will be future releases.
But some of the principles behind FB's DV, could be applied to live-editing in
Royale and I think it would be better than having it in an IDE.
Of course, I could be wrong...
-Alex
On 3/11/20, 10:04 AM, "Paul Stearns" <pa...@compuace.com.INVALID> wrote:
Alex:
Not to sound too ignorant, what is "FB DV?"
What is Adobe doing with FlashBuilder? If they are deprecating Flash, what
use do they have for FlashBuilder? That might be a good code base for a Royale
GUI IDE.
Paul R. Stearns
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From: Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Sent: 3/11/20 11:56 AM
To: "users@flex.apache.org" <users@flex.apache.org>, "pa...@compuace.com"
<pa...@compuace.com>
Subject: Re: GUI IDE need.
I hear what you are saying, but I am hopeful that we can build that into
your app sort of like an automated testing plugin. Royale will eventually need
to support other automated testing libraries and other code that "disappears at
production". One of the reasons for having "beads" underneath the components is
so that we can more easily add/remove helpful pieces of code to enhance
productivity.
IIRC, the FB DV was essentially running your app loaded into a DV Flex app.
I am hopeful that Royale is set up so that you can essentially plug in DV
functionality into your app (instead of wrapping it, which caused occasional
issues in FB).
-Alex
On 3/11/20, 8:48 AM, "Paul Stearns" wrote:
I think we will have to disagree on this.
Three things (that I can think of quickly), which would be difficult
without a GUI;
I use quite regularly the alignment capabilities of the IDE, where I select
multiple items and align right, left, bottom, middle , top & center. If I have
20 fields on a form I want to align I can't do it visually using the immediate
display technique. Additionally when I am initially designing my form, the code
may not be complete enough to be displayed in a browser.
I will also often grab multiple items and move them around the screen, with
their relative positions intact.
Selecting multiple items and then modifying multiple properties for the
selected items.
Doing all of this manually is a waste of valuable developers time, and a
step back into the dark ages. Yes having something that displays your changes
in near real-time is better than nothing, but hardly a replacement for a good
GUI IDE.
Paul R. Stearns
Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.
15280 NW 79th Ct.
Suite 250
Miami Lakes, Fl 33016
Voice: (305)623-0360 x107
Fax: (305)623-4588
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From: Alex Harui
Sent: 3/11/20 11:19 AM
To: "users@flex.apache.org"
Subject: Re: GUI IDE need.
On 3/11/20, 4:43 AM, "Olaf Krueger" wrote:
Hi Paul,
>If however you want to design highly usable business applications deployed
to thin clients (to use an ancient phrase) you need GUI tools to be
productive.
Not agree.
Modern JS frameworks are supporting "hot reload" (Royale not yet) which
means the browser view is refreshing automatically after any code
change/compilation... and depending on the framework and project, this just
takes seconds or milliseconds. So, you see the results in near realtime
instead of waiting for the compiler and restarting your app all the time.
Hence my hope that someone will make live-editing of Royale MXML work. IMO,
Any IDE DesignView equivalent that doesn't use a browser to render is going to
have fidelity issues. Live-editing has the potential to be even better than
hot-reload for some scenarios.
Of course, I could be wrong...
-Alex
