Hi :)
I have a lot more confidence in Oasis than in the ISO committees and i 
appreciate the work Dennis does in that area.  

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to ridicule MS formats and their 
game-playing tricks once again!  Today & yday i have spent all my time fixing 
problems in or created by MS products while people continue to ignore much 
better products that just don't break or at least not as often and if/when they 
do are easier to fix.  It feels good to let off a little steam!
Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid 
pdf" format?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 22:03

A variety of PDF specifications have become established as international 
standards.  The first was for PDF/A (archival purposes) and there have been 
others since.

There are of course open-source versions of PDF and Postscript viewers and 
creators. The code that produces and reads PDF in LibreOffice is clearly an 
open implementation.  

The inclusion of attachments and even having an index of attachments is covered 
in the ISO PDF Standard.  It is this feature that is used for hybrid ODF-PDF 
documents: 
<http://blogs.adobe.com/insidepdf/2010/11/pdf-file-attachments.html>.  (You'll 
notice that making hybrid Microsoft Office - PDF documents is a feature of 
Adobe Acrobat products.)

The agreement for interoperability with ODF attachments in PDF documents and 
how they are handled automatically is up to the supporters of ODF-PDF hybrid 
documents.  There is nothing that Adobe needs to do.  Any ODF-specific protocol 
is a matter for the ODF-supporting office suites to work out.

If someone wanted to work up and publish an agreed profile for this use case, 
the OASIS ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC could be used for that 
purpose.  It would then be up to ODF Consumers that also produce and consume 
PDF to line up.

This is also something that could be made the subject of ODF Plugfest 
activity.  

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid 
pdf" format?

Hi :)
Pdf is a proprietary format.  There is no "Open" version and no community.  
Testing is done on a relatively small number of machines.  It would be really 
great if there were a successfull OpenDocument Format equivalent that gained 
even as much traction as Odt etc have.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 11/1/12, Carlo Strata <carlo.str...@tiscali.it> wrote:

From: Carlo Strata <carlo.str...@tiscali.it>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] What about the standard state of the "hybrid pdf" 
format?
To: "LibreOffice, users" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
Date: Wednesday, 11 January, 2012, 19:12

Hi Everyone,

I'm asking about the standardization of *hybrid pdf* format.

This is because I think it is a very useful "thing", but I don't want to use it 
too much if it is a weak standard that is pretty near to be changed or 
abandoned.
Is Oasis-Open or ISO or other standard Organization well defining this format?

What do you think about?

Have a nice evening,

Carlo

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