exactly;
and well expressed.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Bjørn K Nilssen <b...@bknilssen.no> wrote:
På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger <
> flo...@documentfoundation.org**>:
>
>
> Hello,
>>
>> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
>> (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>>
>> So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
>> words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
>> automatically sent directly to the list.
>>
>
> Which is the whole idea of a mailing list IMO.
>
>
>
> In the past, this lead to two major problems:
>>
>> 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,
>> where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case
>> where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of
>> worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit
>> "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.
>>
>
> That some people send private mail in public can't be a good argument to
> stop/hamper the flow on a miling list - surely?
>
>
> 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working
>> with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of
>> reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to
>> the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to
>> spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others.
>> While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find
>> out...
>>
>> Therefore, I have applied a change:
>>
>> Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You
>> either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or -
>> preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will
>> direct replies directly to the list.
>>
>> This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default
>> setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel
>> here. Those seeking for details should have a look at
>> http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.html<http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
>>
>
> I checked every single one of my 52 current mailing lists, and not one
> single one of them follows that rule (except this one). One of them used
> the senders email + the list email in the Reply-To field, but that's it.
> And that list isn't really for discussing, but just for one-way information.
>
> I'd like to see some statistics that shows that 'most mailing lists' does
> not put the list address in the Reply-To field ?
>
> And where is the RFC?
>
> And the poll?
> Looks like most people wants to get it back to how it was, which is how
> all my other 51 lists still are?
> Using the 'Reply to all' option is not a good idea at all IMO.
>
>
> I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the
>> outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I
>> am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your
>> understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable
>> with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are
>> unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two,
>> even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually
>> exclusive to each other.
>>
>> In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and
>> again, I beg for your understanding.
>>
>> Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the
>> community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is
>> to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not.
>> Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately
>> switch back to the old behaviour.
>>
>> Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm
>> somehow sitting between two chairs here.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>>
>
> --
> Bjørn K Nilssen
>
>
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