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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
> I think that link didn't work.  Well, it didn't for me anyway.  It just
> gave me a search-engine list of articles about Java.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> > From: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com>
> > To: Tom <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: Stuart <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>; Users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012, 21:00
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's
> the accessibility?
> >
> >        Here's a listing of alternative java programs -
> >
> >
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/search/google/java?query=java&cx=partner-pub-4337260311855789%3A5365410881&cof=FORID%3A10&sitesearch=&safe=high
> >
> >           along with discussion from various users.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, V Stuart Foote
> > <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >>
> >>  Probably, I'm pretty certain this issue has actually been with us since
> >>  the Java JRE 1.6 -> JRE 1.7 crossover. It impacts usability with AT
> > because
> >>  large segments of the GUI are no longer functional with screen and
> brail
> >>  readers under JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API even though the JAB is
> >>  appears to be delivering identical roles and obejcts.
> >>
> >>  For now, rolling back to a JRE 1.6 and its more functional JAAPI may be
> >>  the best suggestion for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice users in
> need of
> >>  AT.  The Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where
> >>  things go with BASE and HSQLDB and implementing a non-Java
> accessibility
> >>  bridge based AT for Windows, i.e.an IAccessible2 implementation or
> >>  possibly an AT-SPI2 port.
> >>
> >>  Question beside the workaround of using a JRE 1.6, is if there is much
> >>  developer and TDF Board desire to repair AT and possibly BASE for use
> with
> >>  JRE 1.7 and a more current HSQLDB build.
> >>
> >>  Stuart
> >>
> >>
> >>  From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
> >>  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM
> >>  To: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
> >>  Cc: V Stuart Foote
> >>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
> >>
> >>  Hi :)
> >>  Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of
> Java
> >>  (again)?
> >>
> >>  Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found
> to
> >>  have more security issues so another new one needs to be released
> quickly.
> >>   It's a 3rd party product that is difficult to track.
> >>
> >>  Regards from
> >>  Tom :)
> >>
> >>
> >>  From: V Stuart Foote <vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu>
> >>  To: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org
> >>  Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13
> >>  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
> >>
> >>  Simon,
> >>
> >>  There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is
> reducing
> >>  the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both
> LibreOffice
> >>  and
> >>  OpenOffice.  This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers.
> >>
> >>  I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from
> > the
> >>  2.02 to 2.03  JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed.
> Reviewing
> >>  the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02
> >>  rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7
> its
> >>  JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully
> render
> >>  the results in either screen reader.
> >>
> >>  Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation  and
> >>  retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise
> > asses AT
> >>  usability with the earlier Java runtimes?
> >>
> >>  Downloads needed to roll back are here:
> >>
> >>  JRE 1.6u38
> >>  <
> >>
> >
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html
> >>  >
> >>  JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 <
> >>  http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Stuart
> >>
>

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