Hi, Tom, :-)
On 6/14/13 5:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
You are making it sound more complicated than it really is.
No, not really.
Maurice's point is the abandonment of the horizontal rule breaks his
older documents. Readable or not.
Steve's point is the breaking of old documents by removing the
horizontal rule is the same type of practice for which people bad mouth MS.
<snip>
3. You can find programs that still use the older formats. Even LO can be
switched to using older formats. See
Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
So, I guess if Maurice still wants to use the horizontal rule ( or any
other deprecated features) he should abandon the current LO and use the
older programs?
Pray tell, if you drop the horizontal rule from the new version, how do
you load and save a document that has a horizontal rule?
4. The devs have created a new format for LO that wraps up the 3 older formats, 1.2 (not
extended), 1.1 and 1.0 and are calling it something like "1.2 Extended
(compat)". Files created using that format will be able to be read by legacy
software that can only read 1.0 or only 1.1. Presumably at some point we are going to
find the options listed in
Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
to drop from 4 formats back down to 2.
I submit that files created by the new format will only load correctly
in the older software if the features in the new documents are supported
in the old software.
The whole point of ODF is that even if or when programs do abandon a particular
version of it that format is still readable because the format is implemented
as specified. The point is NOT to condemn us all to sticking with an
unchanging format for the next few hundred years! Change is inevitable.
Documenting those changes is part of the aim of ODF so that old files can be
read.
Readable does not equate to useable, which I think is Maurice's point.
Making the file readable by legacy software is rather a waste of time
anyway, since the legacy software will eventually be broken by the
evolution of the different OSes. Making older files with the legacy
formats useable, not just readable, is a valid goal. That saves the
user having to take the time to redo the document when it's a document
that is still being used. Such as a template.
Even if the new software can't save in the old format, if you read the
old format 100% correctly, then all you have to do is Save As in the new
format. And the user gets on with life.
I would have to agree with Maurice, dropping the horizontal rule is
dumb, especially if it now takes more work at the user's end to create
one with HTML tags. One of the reasons for computers is to get rid of
having to do repetitive things by the human. Have the computer do it.
For me, it's becoming a moot point. I'd rather pay for program(s) that
do what I need without issues (never 100% possible, but I'm finding more
possible than with LO) and constantly mess with free software.
Thunderbird is the other program for me that is on very thin ice.
This is going waaay off-topic again.
True, but it's a good conversation. :-)
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