I am not using the standard format of replying but I am impressed with your achievements.
As far as LO is concerned can we atleast make sure that LO does not crash. I ended up buying Microsoft Office because OpenOffice used to crash a lot. I have a suggestion that can avoid random crashes and I have used it to avoid random crashes and it costs only one extra movl instruction. I will be suggesting it to the development team shortly. Regards, Amit On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster < webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > > There was an announcement from MS that they are going to go to a faster > release cycle. The plan was that a new version of MSO, and other software > from them, will be released every 3 or 4 months instead of every 2 or 3 > years. > > As for LO being released with "bugs", most software seems to have bug > fixes every so often. > > As for the fast release cycle, we do not want our users to wait months and > months for the newest version with the bug fixes, improvements of included > features, and new ones. We do not have staff to test each LO release on > every OS and system variation, plus all possible combination of document > usage. We release the "early adopters" versions 4.1.0 through .2 or .3. > But the "conservative" and least likely to have issue versions starting > with .4 or .5. This is in the Release Plan documentation. For all users > that want the "most stable" and "least buggy" version[s] of LO, most of us > tend to recommend to our "clients" that they start with version .4 or .5 of > a line and not an earlier one, unless there is a major need for some new > and improved feature. > > So for the most conservative users, I would go with 3.6.7. The next lever > of user, like most of them, I would have then use 4.0.4 or 4.0.5 when it > comes out. I would not offer most of my users the .0 through .3 versions > of LO for their use in the home or office. I may try the .0 or .1 versions > myself, though. > > I am working on the 4.1.0 version of the NA-DVD .iso file to be uploaded > to the DVD download page[s], as soon as I know if or when the portable > version of it comes out. Yet, I will not hand these 4.1.0 DVDs out to my > list of users, home or office ones. I will be waiting for 4.0.5 for my > next round of handouts, unless I need some before then. > > I started programming in the 1970's, on DEC PDP/11 systems. Saw the > introduction of the PCs to the market. Used the first Mac computer. I > earned 2 degrees in mainframe programming, one business and one science, > then later one degree in the network technology area. I never worked for > any "big name" companies like Cisco, but I worked in various fields. I was > forced to retire after a debilitating set of injuries and my 2nd and 3rd > strokes. Been "retired" since the around 2004. > > As for the need to "beat" MS, they are slowly loosing ground all by > themselves with such marketing flops like the Surface RT tablet. People > were not buying their newest versions of MSO, so they started the idea of > renting it instead, telling people it is a better idea. But, if you miss a > payment or stop paying all together, you will loose you office suite. If > you use their online version, you may loose even more, like your online > documents. > > Most governments and agencies are looking towards open source to fill > their needs, before they look into buying proprietary software package > solutions. Look to all of the press releases on which big company, city, > or country, is not switching over to open source office suites, mostly > LibreOffice at this point. MS is really loosing ground in Europe, as far > as I have read. The USA is still not moving towards open source as fast as > other countries, but this market is something MS does not want to loose. > We are just so big and profitable for MS, they will do anything to keep > the USA under their corporate "thumbs". > > But the is movement in the private sector of the market. Homes and small > offices cannot afford to keep paying MS's blood money year after year. I > stopped at MSO 2003. I still have to deal with Windows 7, but I prefer > using Linux for most of my work and desktops. > > Sure, LO can have issues from time to time. But, unlike the "big boys", > we are open with our issues and will do our best to fix the problems our > users tells us about. As I said before, that is why we have a faster > release cycle so we can offer the bug fixes in a timely manor. To be > honest, you do not see this as up-front with MSO. They do offer fixes > every so often, but their system involves patching the installed packages. > LO is not designed that way and is too "internally integrated" to just > replace a piece of coding in a small library file. So LO needs to have the > entire version replaced with a new one to get the fixes and improvements to > the user. I have no issues with that. Some people just do not want to > think about upgrading their packages after they are installed. So we have > the "conservative" releases so they can avoid the issues in the "early > adopters" releases. > . > > > > On 07/27/2013 05:51 AM, Amit Choudhary wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> I have been programming since 1987. I have all my degrees in computer >> science/networking. I have worked for companies like Cisco systems, >> Juniper >> networks and have turned down offers from companies like Google and >> Microsoft for one reason or other. >> >> This whole software industry is going in the wrong direction. Actually, by >> now we should have been done by all the software (all the necessary >> software developed and installed and used, no bugs, etc. >> >> We need to beat Microsoft because we do not want to pay for Office suite. >> >> The best way of doing this is to release stable versions only and this can >> be done by increasing the QA cycle period. >> >> I do not release buggy software unless it has been approved by management. >> And I have not released any software that's gonna hurt the customer even >> if >> I have to get into discussions with managers, directors, etc. >> >> This whole idea of releasing software frequently is a scam, because work >> doesn't get done properly in a small time window. No one gets any time for >> innovation and everyone is just interested in the release. And in the end, >> the software dies down because the frequent release does not fix things >> properly and introduces new bugs and over time all these quickfixes kill >> the product. >> >> THERE IS NO DEMAND FROM CUSTOMERS FOR FREQUENT RELEASES. THE DEMAND IS >> FROM >> PEOPLE WHO ARE SOFTWARE ANALYSTS AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO DO AND HENCE >> THEY WANT FREQUENT RELEASES. IT IS A BIG SCAM. >> >> I use around 5-6 external softwares and if everyone is releasing something >> every month then it becomes a headache to me. >> >> RELEASING ONLY TWICE A YEAR IS VERY FOOD. >> >> THE BIGGEST RISK OF RELEASING FREQUENTLY IS THAT ORIGINAL PROBLEMS ARE NOT >> SOLVED PROPERLY AND QUICKFIXES MAKE MANAGING THE SOFTWARE COMPLICATED AND >> IN THE END THE DEVELOPERS GIVE UP AND THE PRODUCT IS SHELVED. >> >> AND ALL THIS HAPPENS WITH PAID SOFTWARE TOO. >> >> Amit >> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> Hi :) >>> I think with Base it's better to stay with older branches. The 3.6.7 >>> might be better. if the 4.0.3 works for you then stick with that. >>> >>> Sadly there are still not many devs working on Base. It's not flashy >>> enough! >>> Regards from >>> Tom :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**__ >>>> From: "la10...@iperbole.bologna.it" <la10...@iperbole.bologna.it> >>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org >>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 10:31 >>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 >>>> >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, the "3rd digit rule" doesn't work as goog as expected... >>>> I use report builder in base, 4.0.3.3 version. Download 4.0.4 and >>>> report builder no more works (crash in opening). >>>> >>>> thanks anyway for developers work, I remember this is a free sw, at >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> end.... >>>> >>>> Federico Quadri >>>> >>>> Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> Hi :) >>>>> That 3rd digit is roughly the equivalent of "Service pack". So >>>>> usually the higher it is the more stable it is. Of course even just >>>>> bug-patches and fixes can sometimes introduce unexpected problems >>>>> that might not get caught by QA. >>>>> >>>>> The best answer, imo, is to keep a very stable version that you >>>>> are happy enough with on all the machines you look after especially >>>>> ones that have limited access or that you can't reach easily. Then >>>>> on 1 machine find some way of being able to test-drive an occasional >>>>> beta-test versions before it gets released. Preferably do about 1 >>>>> per branch. The problem is that things you might care about deeply >>>>> might not even be getting used by other people at all. So it's only >>>>> you that might notice. So if you didn't test-drive then the problem >>>>> might never be found. Also it's better to do your testing on a beta >>>>> release rather than a full release because it's during the early >>>>> beta stage that the most devs are the most focussed on the 1 single >>>>> version and trying to solve the most problems quickly. Also it's >>>>> when the fewest other people are making bug-reports. >>>>> >>>>> There are various ways you could make sure you have access to 1 >>>>> version for use for work that has a dead-line and another version >>>>> that you can just use to try things out and make sure it all works. >>>>> >>>>> Regards from >>>>> Tom :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**__ >>>>>> From: Amit Choudhary >>>>>> <contact.amit.choudhary.india@**gmail.com<contact.amit.choudhary.in...@gmail.com> >>>>>> > >>>>>> To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" <Users@global.libreoffice.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013, 3:35 >>>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] 4.0.3 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was using 4.0.2 and then I downloaded 4.0.3 but 4.0.3 is not >>>>>> as stable as >>>>>> 4.0.2. So, now I am downloading 4.0.4. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am more interested in stable and feature rich (optional) >>>>>> software rather >>>>>> than frequently released software. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stablility is very important because a non-stable software / >>>>>> >>>>> software >>> >>>> having many bugs results in loss of time and frustartion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Amit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.org<users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org> >>>> Problems? >>>> >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** >>> unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> >>> >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** >>>> Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> >>>> List archive: >>>> http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/> >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> >>> deleted >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>> users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.org<users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org> >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** >>> unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** >>> Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> >>> List archive: >>> http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/> >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: > users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.org<users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org> > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** > unsubscribe/<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/> > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** > Netiquette <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette> > List archive: > http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/<http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/> > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
