Hi :) Err the fading dominance of MS formats is good but the "dominance" part is really annoying and causes a lot of unnecessary agro. Regards from Tom :)
On 27 March 2015 at 12:01, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi :) > I think you meant that the background behind Tim's answer is not > acceptable. His actual answer seems very honest, truthful and useful. It > is not a voice of arbitrary authority but one of wisdom and counsel. One > problem with emails is that we don't hear the tone of voice nor any clues > from body-language. Of course a lot of us in IT don't process that sort of > stuff in face-to-face communications either but that's another story. > > On this mailing list we have absolutely no control over what the devs do > nor how this project is run and we are almost never asked for our opinions > on what might be a good way. We can only give answers to try to help users > figure out how to use the suite as it is, and maybe grumble about oddities > and issues related, such as the fading dominance of the MS formats. We are > free to join other lists such as Discuss@ and the social media channels > but most of us on this mailing-list are only interested in just helping > people directly. > > Several answers in this thread have been 'brutally' honest with no false > apologies or soft-pedalling the truth or giving it any spin (err, except > with a blatant cough rather than my usual sarcastic quotes ' ). From my > own experience i suspect many of the answers so far have been answered > off-list by one of the "higher ups" berating them and possibly threatening > to ban them from the lists. > > To me Tim's answer seems a bit heroic, not quite on the scale of children > in any war-torn area, but still admirable. He makes a stand for truth and > honesty and that might have got him in trouble already. > > > However just because something is not done quite the same way as it's done > in MS Office or/and is not intuitive to some people does not necessarily > make it wrong. > > The main problem here, in my opinion, is that it wasn't easy to figure out > and documentation may not have been easy enough to get to. Of course now > that we have had this answer on the list it will probably crop up again > quite soon and we have a quick answer ready. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > > > On 27 March 2015 at 10:38, Pertti Rönnberg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Tim Lloyd's comment is not acceptable! >> This is not a question of a (unpaid) programmer's likings or priorities >> -- this is a serious question of Libre Office's liability, >> because both of the the sort buttons in the toolbar (asc & desc) give >> wrong results as well as there is no clear explanation why and how the sort >> command >> in Data=> sort must be "customized" if yopu want a correct result. >> >> A spreadsheet program that cannot be fully trusted is totally worthless!! >> >> These "bugs" are a result of very bad planning and an obviously total >> lack of control & testing of the programming before it was accepted >> as a feature in Calc and the complete LibreOffice suite. >> >> Neither is this really not a "game" -- anyone who goes for to programming >> something for LibreOffice must feel the responsibility for the result -- as >> well as >> the controlling team (if any?). >> >> The sort feature is a very important feature why these faults have to be >> corrected immediately >> >> the function of both the sort buttons set to "normal" sort of a >> selected range >> >> all selections set to blanc in Data=>sort=>options >> Pertti Rönnberg >> >> >> >> >> On 26.3.2015 2:12, Tim Lloyd wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> while LO does allow a certain amount of customisation, at this point in >>> the game this particular menu option can not be changed. >>> >>> This then becomes a feature request, either >>> >>> * change the default >>> * allow the sort options to be customised >>> >>> Once a feature request is submitted it is really up to a (unpaid) >>> programmer to step forward and take on the action. I can't see this being >>> high on the programmer's list of priorities but it may be deemed an "easy >>> hack" which an aspiring young person could field. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26/03/15 10:58, Richard VINCK wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Lloyd >>>> Thank you for pointing this. Indeed, unticking it works then correctly. >>>> But it should be the default, and should remain unticked. (and should >>>> be more visible, as it is hidden in the Option tab) >>>> Can we make it as default? >>>> >>>> On 2015-03-26 00:42, Tim Lloyd wrote: >>>> >>>>> A quick look at the doco reveals... >>>>> >>>>> Range contains column/row labels >>>>> – omits the first row or the first column in the selection from the >>>>> sort >>>>> >>>>> Untick this box and you are sorted. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> On 26/03/15 10:06, Wade Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hmm I just tried to sort going through the >>>>>> sort menu and I still cant get it to sort >>>>>> properly. >>>>>> >>>>>> It does numbers just fine though. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Registered Linux User: #480675 >>>>>> Registered Linux Machine: #408606 >>>>>> Linux since June 2005 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Wade Smart <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> **cough cough** .. feature understood. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Registered Linux User: #480675 >>>>>>> Registered Linux Machine: #408606 >>>>>>> Linux since June 2005 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Michael Tiernan >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/25/15 6:53 PM, Wade Smart wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have 4.2.7.2 on Ubuntu 14.04 and you are correct, sort is not >>>>>>>>> working. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I reported it, I provided a great deal of information about it >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> was told "Not a bug" and "works for me" by those who have the power >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> close bugs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My argument was/is that if you use the sort arrows (as you have done >>>>>>>> here) then you're asking/telling LO to sort the selected rows with >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> options. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead it was deemed correct that instead, LO assumes the first >>>>>>>> cell >>>>>>>> found is used as a label regardless of any other settings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This "feature" (*cough*) cost me a number of hours of work to get >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> and avoid. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The argument is that since you can use the "Sort" menu option and >>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>> this behavior *for each sort occurrence* then there's a work around >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> the "feature" and we should be happy with that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> << MCT >> Michael C Tiernan. http://www.linkedin.com/in/mtiernan >>>>>>>> Non Impediti Ratione Cogatationis >>>>>>>> Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs >>>>>>>> should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. 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