Hello Martynas I think it's not exactly what I had in mind. On your site I could see a group of Semantic web sites accessible from your portal, and this portal generates a basic user interface, automatically I suppose. I suppose it's very easy to add new sites or repositories, and your platform generates a basic view-controller for the site, or allows the user to define their own view-controller. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
My idea is that my framework allows the addition of other plug-ins to manage a single site, the complexities of a single site or repository and help the programmer or admin to manage the Jena capabilities and associated plug-ins graphically. Of course it could be linked with other sites or repositories. I thought in having a very dynamic and ajax based VIEW, for example using the ZK framework. Because around java there a lot of framework and utilities [the most I think], the core technology has to be Java based. Thank you for your answer. Best regards Joan > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:26:18 +0200 > Subject: Re: Planning for a new framework for Jena > From: marty...@graphity.org > To: users@jena.apache.org > > Joan, > > could Graphity approach be similar to what you have in mind? > http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/ledp2011_submission_1.pdf > > You can see what kind of UI it can render on http://linkeddata.dk. > > Martynas > graphity.org > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Joan Iglesias <joan.igles...@live.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Rob > > > > Commends inline also. > > > >> From: rve...@yarcdata.com > >> To: users@jena.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Planning for a new framework for Jena > >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:01:30 +0000 > >> > >> Hi Joan > >> > >> Comments inline: > >> > >> > >> On 6/25/12 9:30 AM, "Joan Iglesias" <joan.igles...@live.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Dear all > >> > > >> >I'm new at this list, but I would like to purpose the building of a new > >> >framework for Jena. > >> > > >> >I'll be in charge of the design and programming of this new framework, > >> >but new ideas or collaborations with other developers are welcome. > >> > > >> >The project is a java web platform for configuring, managing and queering > >> >the Jena framework from any web browser. That framework will allow the > >> >users to save time in the configuration time, initial contact and > >> >database administration of Jena framework. It could be .war for any > >> >application server with the appropriate configuration files. > >> > >> Please take a look at JENA-201 > >> (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JENA-201) which contains a > >> discussion on how to convert the existing Fuseki architecture into WAR > >> form. If you are interested maybe you would like to work on contributing > >> towards that effort? > >> > >> Also Fuseki already includes much of the configuration, management and > >> querying capabilities you are talking about. Granted right now Fuseki > >> can't easily be run in any Java application server because it runs off an > >> embedded Jetty but if that issue was addressed this would become possible. > >> And equally the built in UI could be a little less basic but none of us > >> Jena developers claim to be graphic design or UX experts! > > > > I'm not an expert on Jena, I only read some tutorials about Jena and its > > frameworks. Of course the development of such a framework needs much more > > knowledge than I have. Because of this I suggested the project to the Jena > > community, because I don't want to start a long learning period if the > > framework is useless or not needed for the community or already exists > > something similar. > > > > Like all technologies, the more user-friendly user interface, the most > > success in the adoption of the technology. Some companies if they > > appreciate a long learning period of a framework, the framework is > > discarded. > > > > I could deduce from the tutorials of fuseki an so on, that most of the > > configuration is done by file configuration. The idea of my project, it's > > that you just download the war file, you deploy it, and all the > > configuration and management is done using a very helpful and user-friendly > > interface. Addition of modules, database configuration and administration, > > and so on. > > > > I think, that any developer prefer a tool, self explanatory with small time > > to learn how it works. > > > > Maybe such a framework could be developed using fuseki code or other Jena > > frameworks as a base framework or starting framework. > > > > The platform I propose, it allows to manage plug-ins graphically, like > > Eclipse, for example. And a plug-in could have it's own web interface to > > configure or use it. I think that those functionality it's not possible by > > now using fuseki. > > > > For example, is there any framework that allows to manage ontologies > > graphically and integrated into Jena? Sometimes I think it's very useful > > that a plug-in has a web interface, like the case I mentioned before, and > > integrated into a well defined platform. > > > > What do you think about all this?? > > > >> > >> > > >> >I consider that it has to be designed in a modular way, and the addition > >> >of new plug-ins have to be taken into acount from the very begginng. I > >> >thought it could be like a kind of Eclipse, that it's a platform for > >> >development with basic functionalities, but allows the additions of a lot > >> >of plug-gins from the community or private companies. > >> > >> This is basically what the Jena platform is already unless I am > >> misunderstanding your point? > >> > >> I don't know how familiar you are with Jena (I assume at least reasonably > >> so given the scope of your proposal) but Jena already has many extension > >> points that can be utilized and many people using Jena commercially > >> already use these widely. Maybe you could elaborate on exactly what it is > >> that you want to extend/do that you don't think Jena can do right now? > >> You may find that the types of extensions you want are already possible in > >> the existing framework and you are just not aware of it. > >> > >> For example within Fuseki you can already leverage the Jena assembly > >> mechanism for loading and executing arbitrary code allowing you to add > >> custom functionality to a standard Fuseki distro to some extent. > >> > >> > > >> >Some of the nowadays utilities for Jena could be migrated into a plug-in > >> >for this platform. REST and SOAP services could be a plug-in for this > >> >platform. > >> > >> Utilities such as? > >> > >> > > >> >New ideas or suggestions are welcome. I think a framework like this will > >> >help Jena to be more used, because the intention is that the new > >> >framework has to be in most of the cases "self explanatory" and > >> >intuitive, and with a lot of helping tools. > >> > >> While I do want to discourage you from contributing to the Jena ecosystem > >> it would be interesting to here some more detail on what exactly you want > >> to build. From reading your email I get the impression that maybe a lot > >> of what you want may already be available and you're just looking to get > >> it more solidly integrated into a user friendly web based UI? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Rob Vesse > >> > >> > > >> >Best regards, > >> > > >> >Joan > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >
