> One note: The main reason I wanted to recreate the database was to reduce its size, which had grown enormous.

Ted,

Have you tried using "compact" on the database? This can be done by the server. After a compacted database is cerated (e.g. "Data-0002") you can delete "Data-0001" (or the compact request can ask for deletion.

We can't see the configuration file.

It sounds like the configuration is not passing data to the TDB dataset because there is an intermediate layer specificed.

Do you use inference?

    Andy


On 21/01/2025 13:21, Rob @ DNR wrote:
Attachments are filtered from the list, please either copy paste the 
configuration into the email body, or if it is very large put it on a paste 
sharing service list GitHub gist/Pastebin and provide a link


   *   I've found that if a named graph isn't explicitly mentioned in the 
config file, it will not be persistent

That sounds very strange, there should be no need to explicitly mention your 
named graphs in the configuration file.


   *   Is there something I have to tell fuseki, that it should persist 
triples, which it had recorded in the previous database but is not indicated in 
the recreated database?

No, unless you’ve explicitly configured a non-persistent database then the 
default configurations should create persistent databases.  So it probably 
depends how far your configuration has diverged from the common defaults people 
tend to start from.

Rob

From: [email protected] 
<[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, 21 January 2025 at 12:25
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fuseki Data Not Persistent
4. I start Fuseki under Windows from the command line with this command:
%FUSEKI_HOME%\fuseki-server.bat --conf %MSRO_HOME%\fuseki_config.ttl

I've attached the fuseki_config.ttl file. It's rather long because I've found that if a 
named graph isn't explicitly mentioned in the config file, it will not be persistent, and 
I have to repeat these definitions for 9 databases. I'm focused on the "prod" 
database only at the moment, so you can ignore the rest. Also, I've tried deleting the 
config file definitions for the graph I dropped (companies), but it made no difference.


5. I load the n-quads with this curl command:
curl -H 'Content-Type: application/n-quads' -w 'code=%{http_code} 
connect=%{http_connect} bytes=%{size_upload} ##' -T /tmp/loadFuseki.2224.ttl 
http://localhost:3030/prod/data

The tmp file has a .ttl extension, but in fact it contains n-quads. The 
filename is generated by a script of mine.

I grep the output for "code" "connect" and "bytes". Code is 200 (success), 
bytes=128456749, and connect is blank (no proxy). I am able to query the triples just fine, but when I stop 
and restart Fuseki, they are gone.

What is greatly mystifying is that this problem seems to have started when I 
deleted and recreated the database, but I had not changed the config file. Is 
there something I have to tell fuseki, that it should persist triples, which it 
had recorded in the previous database but is not indicated in the recreated 
database?

Your help is greatly appreciated!

Theodore Hills
Consultant | Research
Phone: +1 212 296-1833
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Lorenz Buehmann <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2025 2:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fuseki Data Not Persistent

Hi,

can you add details on steps 4 and 5 please?

You're starting Fuseki with a configuration targeting a TDB1 database?
Or did you accidentally start it in in-memory mode?

How do you load the quads? Via SPARQL? Via CLI?


Cheers,

Lorenz

On 20.01.25 23:27, [email protected] wrote:
Hi,

I'm having a problem which happened once before under circumstances I could 
correct. This time, I am mystified.

I am running a TDB(1) database under apache-jena-fuseki-4.6.1.


    1.  I backup my database using curl -XPOST 
http://localhost:3030/\$/backup/prod<http://localhost:3030/$/backup/prod><http://localhost:3030/$/backup/prod%3chttp:/localhost:3030/$/backup/prod%3e>
    2.  I stop Fuseki with ^C.
    3.  I delete the Data-0001 directory.
    4.  I start Fuseki. It recreates an empty triple store.
    5.  I load quads from the backup.
    6.  I query my named graphs, counting triples, and they're all there.
    7.  I stop Fuseki with ^C.
    8.  I restart Fuseki.
    9.  My triples are gone.

Any ideas what could cause this?

One note: The main reason I wanted to recreate the database was to reduce its 
size, which had grown enormous. When I tried to reload, Fuseki ran out of heap 
space. No problem: I filtered the n-quads, removing all the quads destined for 
one of the named graphs I didn't really need anymore, and it loaded just fine. 
Could something have gone wrong because I removed all of the quads belonging to 
one graph?

Thanks,
Ted

Theodore Hills
Consultant | Research
Phone: +1 212 296-1833
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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