My Provider has confirmed: the smsc sends notification for discarded messages. 
So Im going to try something.. I let you know... 

xox beatrice


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:31:32 +0200
> Von: Falko Ziemann <fal...@gmail.com>
> An: Alejandro Guerrieri <alejandro.guerri...@gmail.com>
> CC: users@kannel.org
> Betreff: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC

> No it doesn't. The information isn't even delivered to the mobile, so  
> you can't see on your mobile, if the message had a defined validity  
> period.
> 
> BTW: some SMSCs don't send you a notification if a message is  
> discarded, even when you request all notifications. Because "no  
> positive notification" + "validity period is over" = "message  
> discarded, no notification needed"
> 
> Regards
> Falko
> 
> Am 08.06.2009 um 20:25 schrieb Alejandro Guerrieri:
> 
> > afaik, no. It could lead to undesired results, specially if your  
> > phone's clock is misconfigured ;)
> >
> > 2009/6/8 Nikos Balkanas <nbalka...@gmail.com>
> > Of course not the SMSc! I was wondering if the mobiles have validity  
> > support built in. I.e. Do not display an expired SMS.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alejandro Guerrieri
> > To: Nikos Balkanas
> > Cc: Beatrice Tamburrino ; users@kannel.org
> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC
> >
> > afaik, the smsc only knows if the message has been _delivered_ to  
> > the phone, it cannot tell if you _really_ looked into it (how could  
> > it do that?), so the validity period is only relevant while the  
> > message is waiting at the smsc.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alejandro
> >
> > 2009/6/8 Nikos Balkanas <nbalka...@gmail.com>
> > Does the validity period affect only retention at the SMSc, or does  
> > it also affect display on the mobile? I.e. if an sms is delivered  
> > OK, but not viewed in the mobile until later.
> >
> > Nikos
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alejandro Guerrieri
> > To: Beatrice Tamburrino
> > Cc: users@kannel.org
> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC
> >
> > No idea about the EMI protocol (I'm mostly an SMPP guy). The  
> > validity period works on SMPP (assuming the SMSC honors it, of  
> > course).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alejandro
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Beatrice Tamburrino
> <beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch 
> > > wrote:
> > Or sending a validity period flag with the OT-53 String.. ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Datum: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:19:39 +0200
> > > Von: "Beatrice Tamburrino" <beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch>
> > > An: Alejandro Guerrieri <alejandro.guerri...@gmail.com>
> > > CC: users@kannel.org
> > > Betreff: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC
> >
> > > My provider just told me that the max. validity time is 48 hours.  
> > And the
> > > SMSC sends me an OT-53.
> > >
> > > It would be nice if I could delete the SMS (in the SMSC) after about
> > > 15minutes..
> > >
> > > mmhh... headache..
> > >
> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > Datum: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:07:52 +0200
> > > > Von: Alejandro Guerrieri <alejandro.guerri...@gmail.com>
> > > > An: Beatrice Tamburrino <beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch>
> > > > CC: Nikos Balkanas <nbalka...@gmail.com>, users@kannel.org
> > > > Betreff: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC
> > >
> > > > Are you sure the SMSC is actually notifying you when it discards a
> > > > message?
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Alejandro
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Beatrice Tamburrino <
> > > > beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks, this seem to be a different mask?
> > > > >
> > > > > I set the dlr-mask = 31? ??
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I need more help here..
> > > > >
> > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > > > Datum: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:46:23 +0300
> > > > > > Von: "Nikos Balkanas" <nbalka...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > An: "Beatrice Tamburrino" <beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch>,
> > > > users@kannel.org
> > > > > > Betreff: Re: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from  
> > SMSC
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sure it does:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #define DLR_SMSC_FAIL       0x10
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just use the right dlr-mask
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BR,
> > > > > > Nikos
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Beatrice Tamburrino" <beatrice.tamburr...@gmx.ch>
> > > > > > To: <users@kannel.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 4:34 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Get notification if SMS has been discarded from SMSC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've almost finished my SMS Application which sends SMS to a
> > > Kannel
> > > > > > Server
> > > > > > > and waits on a Port for dlr's. Im facing only one problem  
> > right
> > > now,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > hope somebody can help me on that..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Im using the emi protocol to a provider. The provider  
> > supports the
> > > > > > > extended operations OT 51-58, where OT-56 is: Delete Message
> > > > operation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So the problem is, that if I receive a dlr code=4, the  
> > message
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > buffered on the SMSC. After a while (I suppose that  
> > configurations
> > > > is
> > > > > > made
> > > > > > > by the provider) the buffered message will be descarded  
> > from the
> > > > SMSC.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > my application dosn't get any notification (or the kannel  
> > client
> > > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > getting any notification).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is kannel able to handle that information from SMSC with  
> > the EMI
> > > > > > protocol?
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > xox beatrice
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