Two great comments. Thanks.
Paul 5b8ba On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 11:23 PM Joel McClure via Users < [email protected]> wrote: > Ken, great points, and I wish everybody had the written communication > skills you have. The world would be a better place. > > Joel, K5KZX > > > On 6/2/24 11:10 AM, Ken Hansen via Users wrote: > > Stories like this play in the back of my head when I hear hams complain > about their preferred program not running inside Linux. > > > > That a distribution has an LTS marking does not mean that the user is > expected to run the original, non-updated release for the length of the > vendor's support. > > > > I am familiar with Ubuntu LTS which they release every two years, and > has semi-annual updates (20.04 LTS, then 20.04.1, 20.04.2, and 20.04.3) > before and after the next LTS release is delivered (22.04 LTS) and the > cycle continues (See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases ) - during an LTS > release lifetime (5 years) the user is expected to perform regular updates > to keep the release current in some meaningful way. LTS releases are > intended to appeal to the "it works, leave it alone" type of users, which > is not represented by someone that wants to run the latest end-user > software on say a 4 year-old distribution. > > > > Just because the folks that put together your Linux distribution decided > to provide *security* updates for 5 years doesn't obligate independent > software developers to support that 5 year-old distribution and whatever > development libraries/tools you have on your system that may date back to > the distributions release date years ago. > > > > I've never attempted to run Chirp on Linux, though I do use Linux rather > extensively in my personal use (about half my computers run it), I simply > prefer to run my hobby-related software on Windows. > > > > And from a previous post in this thread - is there anyone out in the > real world paying a "per Kb download fee" to download software? And you > need not uninstall your previous installation of Chirp to install the > latest release, that is one of the very first things mentioned in the > installation directions - the instructions merely indicate to need to not > have Chirp running when upgrading. > > > >> Upgrading: You do NOT need to uninstall an existing version of CHIRP > before installing a newer one. Just install the new one and it will replace > the existing copy! However, be sure to quit CHIRP before installing the new > version! > > > > That is on the page where you click to choose Chirp-Next to download > (see: https://chirpmyradio.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Download ). > > > > And this just rubbed me the wrong way: > > > >> Yes, Chirp is largely free to us the users, other than the cost of time > and effort to install and learn. For that we are all grateful indeed. But > wasting even "free" time does not go down well with many of us. > > > > Two points "largely free"? What? It is "free" full stop, no if, no buts > - the time spent learning a software package isn't a cost, it's an > investment. > > > > Second, its interesting that your "free time" is so valuable that you > took the time to complain about the ONLY solution, free or commercial, > available to program your radios on a Linux system (no OEM I'm aware of > supplies radio programming software that runs on any Linux distribution), > because you struggled in your very particular environment, and then flexed > about your career spent supporting end-users to somehow back up your view > of how things should be. There were some useful nuggets in your post, but > your complaints got in the way of the good ideas and suggestions you > offered. > > > > I'm not part of the Chirp team, but I do feel I am part of the Chirp > end-user community, and in that capacity I want to express my unqualified > appreciation for all the hard work they choose to do, to provide us with a > very useful tool like Chirp. > > > > Take care, > > > > Ken, N2VIP > > > >> On Jun 2, 2024, at 09:58, Dan Smith via Users < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> So, please, again, show some respect for those of us spending their > Sunday mornings trying hard to cater to a fraction of the 2% of users that > run older distros by not claiming a lack of "appreciation." It would be > *easier* to just say chirp "doesn't work on linux", drop the install > instructions (which have to shift over time because of changes in the > distros and python itself) and remove all the linux-specific bits in the > code which require maintenance. > >> > >> You know what hasn't changed in a long time? The installation > instructions for macOS and Windows :) > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com > > To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] > > To report this email as off-topic, please email > [email protected] > > List archives: > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] > To report this email as off-topic, please email > [email protected] > List archives: > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] To report this email as off-topic, please email [email protected] List archives: https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
