This has been a most interesting and informative discussion, and I am very
thankful to you all for it.In my case, I am determined to totally dump Windoze
from all of my family's 'pooters and will install and configure FreeBSD.So far,
it is working very well.If I must use any Windoze-based software, it will be
from within Wine.Ken W7EKBSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21 5G, an AT&T 5G
smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Rich via Users
<[email protected]> Date: 7/4/25 17:24 (GMT-08:00) To: CHIRP users
list <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject:
[users] Re: COM4:PL2303TA DO NOT SUPPORT WINDOWS 11 I just purchased a used
laptop with Windows 11... hated it. Reinstalled Win 10 and of course it tried
to update to 11 on its own so I went in and disabled any and all updates. The
more gets updated, the more gets broken so the hell with it. Tenforums.com is a
great resource and sordum.org has lots of great freeware for Windows that I
make use of. Sordum has a freeware, search for WUB. (Windows update blocker)
which is a good one click solution to stop updates.On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 16:43:27
-0700 Richard Van Fossan via Users wrote:>I worked for 12 years for Microsoft
in Technical Support. I often had>occasion to work with the Legal Department.
Your objection to Microsoft's>attitude, while understandable, is a result of
very strict contractual>requirements. Simply put, Microsoft agrees to treat
drivers as black boxes.>If the driver had actual malfunctions, Technical
Support would work with>the vendor to fix the problem, but Prolifics chips
aren't the first pirated>hardware, and Microsoft has a strict hands-off policy
on how vendors handle>pirated hardware. Case #1 is clearly under the purview of
the driver>vendor, and @2 is a malfunction. As for Microsoft Support's attitude
about>who provides support, this is a combination of contracts and
law.>>===========================================================>Richard Van
Fossan>[email protected]>(253) 230-2525>>>On Fri, Jul 4, 2025 at 1:18 PM
Ceferino Lamb via Users <>[email protected]> wrote:>>>>My solution
fixes all of that. I edited my registry to turn off allautomatic updates
forever, also the system services which try torestart auto updates. All my
updates are manual. I prefer W10 sp1903or 1908. Yes a new exploit might get
thru, but I run both firewall andMalwareBytes, paid versions.>>When my
workaround is no longer viable as in sunset of W10, I'm goingto linux with a
Windows emulator.>>Tired of all the BS from MS, for decades now ... now they
try to runnative AI that scans your screen and all keystrokes/mouse to
"help"you.>>On Tue, Jun 24, 2025 at 9:42 PM Terri Kennedy via
Users<[email protected]> wrote:>> Ken Hansen <[email protected]>
wrote:>> > You realize the issue here is that criminals stole the design of> >
Prolific chips and sold copies, then the vendor coded their 'official'> >
driver to detect and refuse to work with the illegal copied chips, and> >
Microsoft, as a corporate policy, works to keep installed official> > drivers
up-to-date, right?> >> > This is a perfectly logical action by Microsoft, and
any deviation> > from running the most current official driver would be an> >
accommodation to support illegal copies of Prolific chips.>> [I apologize
for turning this into a meta-discussion mostly unrelated> to CHIRP, but feel
that some facts need to be cleared up.]>> As I understand it, there are 2
issues here:>> 1) There are some fake chips which newer drives refuse to
workwith.>> 2) There are some legitimate Prolific parts that for some
unknown> reason, Prolific doesn't want to support on Windows 11.>>
Case #2 is obviously not the user's fault. I'd argue that case #1 is> also not
the user's fault, unless the item they bought was described> as "cable with
fake Prolific chip".>> Punishing the end user for either seems unfair. Canon
tried pulling> trick #2 with their LiDE scanners, and VueScan showed that this
was> just a money grab by Canon (to sell entire new scanners users didn't>
need), and it provides its own scanner driver that is perfectly happy> running
those old scanners on new Windows versions.>> Microsoft just takes whatever
drivers a hardware manufacturer pro-> vides and bundles them into the monthly
update. This has led to many> problems in the past and will continue into the
future, as they can> just say "Go talk to thecompany that wrote the driver -
you didn't> by Windows directly from us, so you don't get any support from
us".> Besides, they're busy enough fixing their own bugs that break systems>
when updated.>> I also find it amusing that people are holding FTDI up as
some ex-> ample of a great company that doesn't do this - I guess the fact
that> FTDI intentionally bricked fake FTDI chips instead of just refusing> to
support them has faded from memory. Here's a
refresher:>https://www.zdnet.com/article/ftdi-admits-to-bricking-innocent-users-chips-in-silent-update>
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