On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 00:08 +0000, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 11/8/18 2:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2018-11-09 at 08:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > > how is linux using GMT when everything is running local.
> > 
> > All Unix-based or Unix-derived systems, including Linux, use GMT
> > internally, and have done since the very first versions back in the
> > 70s.
> 
> Uhm, they _assume_ GMT on the hardware clock. There is no way for the
> kernel to verify it's on GMT if it's isolated.

Of course. That's what I mean. The GMT basis for all time measurement
in *nix is hardwired.

> NTP (chronyd, ntpd,
> ntpdate, whatever) will force the clock to GMT, but if you don't run
> NTP I can see very weird stuff on file dates and logs because the
> kernel will assume GMT on the system and translate it to local time.
> 
> > Even if you set your hardware clock to local time, the internal
> > timestamps used for files will be stored as GMT and converted back when
> > displayed, according to your timezone environment. This also applies to
> > logs.
> 
> Which would explain any mondo weird timestamps in his log. I believe the
> OP said there was a significant time jump in the log entries at some
> point. I could see this if his clock isn't on GMT and was drug there
> kicking and screaming by NTP. Logs produced before NTP got caught up
> would assume the old, local hardware clock time (and be way off), then
> the clock gets buggered by NTP and the log entries start making sense
> from that point.
> 
> This is all surmise on my part, of course.

Yes, there is probably some interaction of that sort going on.

poc
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