> On 25 Mar 2022, at 18:58, R. G. Newbury <newb...@mandamus.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 01:02:01 -0700
> Samuel Sieb<sam...@sieb.net> wrote
>> Subject: Re: pipewire and wireplumber
>> R. G. Newbury wrote:
>>> DJ Delorie<d...@delorie.com>  wrote
>>>> Geoffrey Leach<geoffleach...@gmail.com>  writes:
>>>>> Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
>>>>> somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
>>>>> connections?
>>>> As a non-gnome (and non-display-manager) user, I share these .xsession
>>>> snippets:
>>>> 
>>>> # Required by pipewire, at least
>>>> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$(mktemp -d/tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir.XXX)
>>>> 
>>>> # Required by most things
>>>> eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`
>>>> 
>>>> pipewire &
>>>> pipewire-pulse &
>>>> (sleep 2 ; wireplumber & ) &
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There wasn't a pipewire-specific config; it uses the same ALSA backend
>>>> as pulseaudio used.
>>> If you don't mind answering, was it a Rhode Island Red cockerel or a hen
>>> which you sacrificed to learn these arcane secrets? And, full-moon at
>>> midnight, or dark of the moon? Or did this take moving up to a goat?
>>> Or are you a graduate of Hogwarts? Because I am quite sure that none of
>>> these snippets show up anywhere in the so-called documentation. Pure
>>> magic, just like any sufficiently advanced technology.
> 
>> That's because they aren't necessary.  For any standard desktop all
>> those pieces are already setup for you.  Notice how he said
>> "non-display-manager user".  Those are only necessary if you don't have
>> a graphical login session.
> 
> Non-display-manager user or not, those might be necessary even if you have a 
> graphical login session. I installed the KDE spin of Fedora 35 on Monday. A 
> bare metal install: I partitioned the sda drive and formatted it during the 
> install.
> I had NO audio.

As another data point.

I just installed f35 KDE spin on a new pc and everything just worked.
I have no audio issues. I did not do any special config it just worked.

Barry





> And nothing I did allowed the system to even *find* any audio hardware. I 
> played a fugue's worth of combinations and read everything I could find.
> Unfortunately, as noted in this thread, there is no install guide. It just 
> works - NOT. I saw an error message about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR and spent most of 
> an evening down that rabbit-hole, but nothing worked. Pipewire would not even 
> find a module which its own rpm had installed. In the end, I basically 
> inverted the lines of the install process script I was playing with, and 
> re-installed pulseaudio.
> 
> Audio works fine now. My opinion of pipewire is, that like pulseaudio and 
> systemd were, it has been released far too early in its beta stages. It took 
> a couple of years for each of pulseaudio and systemd to reach adequate levels 
> of instalability and reliability. Likely the same for pipewire.
> 
> Geoff
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