> On 8 Jan 2023, at 01:54, Stephen Morris <samor...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> 
> On 8/1/23 09:55, Barry wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 7 Jan 2023, at 15:42, Tim via users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim:
>>>>> I have to ask, since I see a lot of grubby posts (pun intended):
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've *NEVER* run grub2-mkconfig.  I've always just yum/dnf update (do
>>>>> all current updates), or just dnf update kernel (if I wanted to
>>>>> specifically just do that), and it's always installed the new kernel
>>>>> properly all by itself.  No further action was required by me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Billings:
>>>> You should never need to run grub2-mkconfig after each kernel update.
>>>> The only reason I can guess at is that they ran it to overwrite the
>>>> file in /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/ (which is normally a stub that loads
>>>> the default file in /boot/grub2/) and now they have to manually run
>>>> it each time.
>>>> 
>>>> Normally, the only reason you’d run it is if you changed a variable
>>>> in /etc/default/grub. Grubby just creates new bootloaderspec files in
>>>> /boot/loader.
>>> Somewhere along the line I removed "rhgb" from there, one way or
>>> another (*), I don't recall ever running grub2-mkconfig, and I've
>>> certainly never run it at every kernel update.
>>> 
>>> * I don't recall which method I used to remove it from the kernel
>>> command line, but it's not in there, and my system is running fine.
>>> 
>>> It's the one change I make to booting up Linux, I want to see that it's
>>> actually booting and not jammed.  And if it has, I want to see where,
>>> straight away, no horsing around after the fact.  Blank bootup screens
>>> are one of the dumbest things about certain other OSs that Linux has
>>> copied.
>> Like you i remove rhgb and also quiet so i can see what is happening.
>> But I think it is fine to not do this by default.
>> We experts can remove this with a grubby command is 2s and the none
>> experts do not get to worry about the boot noise.
> I have left the rhgb and quiet settings in there and if I want to see the 
> boot details then I will use the ESC key to turn on the details.

That ESC does not always work. Especially when I really need to see the 
messages.

Barry

> 
> regards,
> Steve
> 
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
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