Perhaps Kenvin refers to cohesive energy.

If you know exactly what you want to calculate, you will be able to
calculate.  So please make sure you understand the quantity.
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Duy Le
PhD Student
Department of Physics
University of Central Florida.

"Men don't need hand to do things"



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Gabriele Sclauzero <sclauzer at sissa.it> wrote:
> Dear Kelvin,
>
> ? please make a serious effort to include in your responses only relevant 
> emails:
> replying to digests is quite not a good idea... I had to scroll hundreds of 
> lines before
> getting to the right point.
>
>
>> ? ? Message: 4
>> ? ? Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:08:41 +0100
>> ? ? From: Gabriele Sclauzero <sclauzer at sissa.it <mailto:sclauzer at 
>> sissa.it>>
>> ? ? Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] how to conver to unit of eV/atom in supercell?
>> ? ? To: PWSCF Forum <pw_forum at pwscf.org <mailto:pw_forum at pwscf.org>>
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>>
>> ? ? Wong Kelvin wrote:
>> ? ? ?> Dear all
>> ? ? ?>
>> ? ? ?> when i calculate a single atomc Cu primitive cell, the energy is
>> ? ? ~ -87
>>
>> ? ? What are you trying to compute? An isolated atom or a bulk phase? In
>> ? ? any case, if you are
>> ? ? using pseudopotentials the total energy has not any physical meaning
>> ? ? by itself. What is
>> ? ? physically relevant are energy differences.
>>
>> ? ? ?> Ry. How to convert it to the eV/atom which normally is around
>> ? ? -3.7 eV?
>>
>> ? ? Where did you get this value of -3.7 and what does it actually refer
>> ? ? to? I mean, to which
>> ? ? physical quantity?
>>
>>
>> ? ? GS
>> ? ? ?> Thanks
>> ? ? ?> Wong
>> ? ? ?>
>> ? ? ?>
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>> Dear Gabriele
>> Thanks for reply!
>>
>> I am trying to calculate the grain and twin boundary energies in metals.
>
> I don't think that any code can give this energies with a single total energy 
> calculation.
> You have first to learn the general methodology to build these quantities.
>
>> I partially understand that absolute energy in pseudopotential
>> calculation does not provide meaningful interpretation.
>
> If you are dealing with a bulk phase it's not only a matter of 
> pseudopotential, since you
> are considering an infinitely extended solid.
> On the other hand, all electron energies of an isolated atom, if studied in a 
> large enough
> supercell, I think they would have a physical meaning.
>
>> The reported energies in literature for copper with PP calculations use
>> to be around -3.7 eV/atom. Is there anything significant abt this
>> figure? and i do not understand how to get it. simple by diving the
>> total energy calculated by number of atom in supercell? if it is so, the
>
> Although I never did such kind of calculations, I don't believe that it's so 
> simple to get
> that number. You should learn this from some textbook or lecture notes, 
> rather than from
> this forum (which should treat more technical issues). Maybe if you are lucky 
> some user
> with more experience on this will give you advice.
>
>
> GS
>
>> value (~3.7) is way too small as compare to the 87 Ry for one copper
>> atom primitive cell.
>>
>> regards
>> Kelvin
>>
>
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