If you have such a big pom, think that you're doing something wrong. You have extension and transitive dependencies, if you use them in the right way your pom won't grow without control
On 12/15/05, Arik Kfir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about splitting the POM? I mean, it's obvious that the POM will > only grow with time. So a logical (though possibly controversial) step > would be supporting (but NOT mandating!) a POM split. For example: > > <dependencies src="dependencies.xml"/> > > Or something along these lines (a standardized name for the deps file > is good too). > The same can be applied for plugins, etc. Support for complete, > in-place, POMs must still exist of course. > > We can then move to a "src/pom" dir which will contain > "dependencies.xml", "build.xml", "plugins.xml" etc, which is > consistent with the "src/site/site.xml" as well ;-) > > WDYT? > > On 12/15/05, Frank Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm new to Maven. TBH, I didn't give it much thought. Considering how > > big some ant build.xml files get, the pom didn't seem overly exagerated. > > Could it have been simplified? Sure, but I don't see it as an issue. > > Having two different formats I think is worse. Just keep in in mind for > > whenever there is a 3.0 release. > > > > Frank Russo > > Senior Developer > > FX Alliance, LLC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matt Raible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:01 PM > > > To: Maven Users List > > > Subject: Re: Is it possible to make pom.xml simpler? > > > > > > > > > It would be interesting to see what *potential* users think - > > > as in current Ant users. > > > > > > Asking existing Maven users is a good survey, but it's not a > > > good representation of what the larger Java community thinks IMO. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 12/15/05, dan tran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > +1 to keep. > > > > > > > > Supporting both will be maintainant nightmare, drop the > > > current one is > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > I am happy to see one format since I am able to focus to > > > creating the > > > > content rather then worrying about syntaxfor each element. > > > The current > > > > syntax is good. > > > > > > > > -Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let's not start another attributes vs elements holy war :) > > > > > > > > > > I have no problem with either, but the reasons I see not > > > to change: > > > > > - we would have to support both. This may lead to confusion. > > > > > - currently it is very consistent - there are no > > > attributes, lists > > > > > are always visible as lists, etc. The syntax is a lot more > > > > > memorable, even if it is more verbose. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that requiring tools is a bad idea, but they > > > certainly won't > > > > > hurt (even an XML editor + XSD will do the trick here). I > > > think the > > > > > focus should be on removing repetition in the content, not the > > > > > syntax. > > > > > > > > > > That's just my view - others? > > > > > > > > > > - Brett > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Cservenak Tamas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > A very big +1 here! > > > > > > > > > > > > ~t~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Milos Kleint wrote: > > > > > > > maybe there's just need for tools to help creating the pom > > > > > > > content? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Milos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Berry wrote: > > > > > > >> Hi Matt! > > > > > > >> A big +1 from me. I've been discussing this w/ John, > > > Jason, et > > > > > > >> al. A push towards simplifying/shortening the XML would be a > > > > > > >> big help. Cheers, > > > > > > >> -- Chris > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 12/15/05, John Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Actually, an even better thing to do would be to > > > participate > > > > > > >>> in the design for 2.1. The page for some of this > > > discussion is > > > > > > >>> at: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> http://docs.codehaus.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=32108 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> John > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Allan Ramirez wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Please file a jira issue for this > > > > > http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> -allan > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Matt Raible wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> After seeing what the Spring Developers have done to > > > > > > >>>>> simplify > > > > > Spring > > > > > > >>>>> context files, I can't help but think the same thing is > > > > > > >>>>> possible > > > > > for > > > > > > >>>>> Maven 2's pom.xml. Is it possible to add namespaces and > > > > > > >>>>> make something like the following possible? > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Before: > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> <groupId>springframework</groupId> > > > > > > >>>>> <artifactId>spring</artifactId> > > > > > > >>>>> <version>1.2.6</version> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> After: > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <dep:artifact name="org/springframework/spring" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.2.6"/> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Or just allow attributes to make things a bit cleaner? > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="org.springframework" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="spring" version="1.2.6"/> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Allowing 1 line instead of 5-6 lines per dependency would > > > > > > >>>>> allow me > > > > > to > > > > > > >>>>> cut my dependencies listing from 140 lines of XML to 37 > > > > > lines. When > > > > > > >>>>> the Spring guys allows a couple of elements as attributes > > > > > > >>>>> (<ref> > > > > > and > > > > > > >>>>> <value>) - it made writing Spring context files *much* > > > > > > >>>>> easier. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Here's an example of my simplified version: > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependencies> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="cargo" artifactId="cargo" > > > > > > >>>>> version="0.6" scope="test"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="commons-lang" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="commons-lang" version="2.0"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="commons-logging" > > > > > artifactId="commons-logging" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.0.4"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="displaytag" > > > artifactId="displaytag" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.0" scope="runtime"> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusion artifactId="xalan" groupId="xalan"/> > > > > > > >>>>> </exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="uk.ltd.getahead" artifactId="dwr" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.0" scope="runtime"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="org.hibernate" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="hibernate" version="3.0.5"> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusion artifactId="jta" > > > groupId="javax.transaction"/> > > > > > > >>>>> </exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="geronimo-spec" > > > > > artifactId="geronimo-spec-jta" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.0.1B-rc4"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="jmock" artifactId="jmock" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.0.1" scope="test"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="junit" artifactId="junit" > > > > > > >>>>> version="3.8.1" scope="test"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="jwebunit" artifactId="jwebunit" > > > > > > >>>>> version=" > > > > > 1.2" > > > > > > >>>>> scope="test"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="httpunit" artifactId="httpunit" > > > > > > >>>>> version=" > > > > > 1.6" > > > > > > >>>>> scope="test"> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusion artifactId="js" groupId="rhino"/> > > > > > > >>>>> </exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="log4j" artifactId="log4j" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.2.11 > > > > > "/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="postgresql" > > > artifactId="postgresql" > > > > > > >>>>> version="8.1-404.jdbc3"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="javax.servlet" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="servlet-api" version="2.4" scope="provided"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="javax.servlet" artifactId="jstl" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.1.2" scope="runtime"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="taglibs" artifactId="standard" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.1.2" scope="runtime"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="opensymphony" > > > artifactId="sitemesh" > > > > > > >>>>> version="2.2.1" scope="runtime"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="springmodules" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="springmodules-validator" version="0.1" > > > > > scope="runtime"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="springframework" > > > artifactId="spring" > > > > > > >>>>> version="1.2.6"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency groupId="springframework" > > > > > > >>>>> artifactId="spring-mock" version="1.2.6" scope="test"> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusion artifactId="spring-jdbc" > > > > > > >>>>> groupId="springframework"/> > > > > > > >>>>> <exclusion artifactId="spring-web" > > > > > groupId="springframework"/> > > > > > > >>>>> </exclusions> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependency> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependencies> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Of course, Ivy's syntax is even simpler, so maybe that'll > > > > > > >>>>> provide some motivation. ;-) > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependencies> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency org="apache" > > > name="commons-lang" rev="2.0" /> > > > > > > >>>>> <dependency org="apache" > > > name="commons-cli" rev="1.0" /> > > > > > > >>>>> </dependencies> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Matt > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > - 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