Wayne Fay wrote:
Is there any particular reason you're unable to create the Maven
artifact yourself and upload to JIRA? Or ask the Hibernate people to
please make a nice Maven bundle and post it themselves, if you're
unable/unwilling to do so?
Maven generally relies on people who need something (for their own
project) to actually create the bundle(s) and upload them to JIRA for
eventual uploading into the Maven repo. Or even better, the project
creates their own bundles and uploads them.
Wayne
I didn't want to make a debate out of this but I felt it was coming. I
already have my own quick and dirty setup and I do create my own fixes
when I need them (and I need them too often, some libs get posted
quickly - like the hibernate core the other week, but other get
forgotten forever). I have been through a rather nasty trial and failure
to submit Rife once and the interaction I had just sucked and it wasn't
a nice experience. I am not saying it's someones fault but I don't need
the experience again. I realize the pom's I create might not pass the
quality assurance so I thought I'd suggest the idea to the maven
community and get someone more qualified interested (I think of myself
as someone that leans on the strength of the community when I need help,
is this wrong attitude?).
I understand the "move your asses and help" argument that arises too
often but this is not the case here, I'm just a content user but not
quite happy to help any more in certain areas, but in others I believe I
have helped like sending diffs for fixing documentation or just trying
to swap ideas with the users in the community both on irc or the list,
also I've blogged a bit trying to spread the gospel and trying to push
it everywhere I work. So my original post was trying to raise an issue
that if we as a community would get a working JEE5/JPA stack, that would
help people adopt it sooner and also adopt maven along with it. I wasn't
trying to get my homework done by someone else.
The hibernate people have bitched about maven all the time (sorry to say
that, but I as hibernate user have a right to bitch as well, it's a two
way street), I have asked them on more occasions (irc and forum) to try
and adopt maven or at least publish hibernate libs and tools, zilch. The
same I have tried when I did the Rife lib but then I got into
philosophical discussions on maven's concept of dependencies, the
classifier issue that at the time wasn't clear (I had two opposing
answers from Carlos and Zyl, whom does one listen? - better, more
visible guidelines needed) etc etc.
I believe our community suffers from these issues and I really don't
know if we can help it. Perhaps a better human protocol on how to get
libs in the repo? Perhaps some sort of a web page wizard that can create
pom's automatically? We also could make use of rss feeds of with new
releases, plugins and libs. Also the fact maven is so fragile when it
builds doesn't help. I can understand it, but it doesn't help us. We are
avoided as the bubonic plague when people want a deterministic build
process. That way the people that should use maven and publish 100%
correct pom's and libs don't use it to build their systems. What
happened with the stories where projects were to be given access to
upload their libs?
Sorry for the outburst or if I'm out of line here, I'm still for maven
it just needs to sort some quicks out. Also this discussion is getting
off topic.
Srgjan
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