the biggest myfaces webapp

[Yee CN]

I am in the same boat – a distributed application that I was building has to be converted to become centralized, so the number of users suddenly becomes at least an order of magnitude larger.   I am thinking memory might not be such a big issue as a multi-CPU Intel boxes with 8GB of memory is getting rather common place nowadays. But I am a bit concerned about view rendering time. A while back somebody posted a benchmark which I recalled was showing that JSF pages took about 4 times longer to render, and there were some non-linear issues as well. In principle faster CPU plus cheaper boxes for clustering should handle the problem, but I am dying for someone to share his/her experience on large scale deployment of JSF.   I have no regret so far – after the initial learning curve the faster development/prototype time has been a great advantage to our team.   Regards Yee From: Rogerio Pereira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:31 AM To: MyFaces Discussion Subject: Re: the biggest myfaces webapp   Thanks guys, this kind of discussion is very useful. 2006/8/19, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: If memory is the major concern, I think the real unknown is the view state storage.  To be honest, this is an unknown for me also.  Currently I'm keeping that stuff on the client.  If the page download size isn't too big, I think this is the direction I'd stick with even in production, as I don't have to worry about old views getting dumped from the session in case the user really digs the back button. But, in general, I'm not sure what the memory issue would be beyond the view storage.  I'm anti-session for most things anyway, besides carrying around some standard user info.  I'm planning to rely on smart coding, tuning hibernate settings (which, obvisouly, requires the use of hibernate) and, possibly, turning on the hibernate cache for certain parts of the data. However, I do understand your concern.  I'm sort of in the same boat.  I'm implementing an app and I'm not sure how many people will be logging into it.  I don't know what the performance will really be like.  I still think there is some technical understanding of the JSF view that I've ignored until now that would probably help.  If anybody happens to have a good page to point to that discusses the view, please forward that along. What kind of box will this be running on?  I assume if this is a production app that you might have a few hundred megs of memory available for the application to play in?  Making that assumption, you've got about a meg per user.  Right?  While compared to some other technologies, a meg per user is a lot, but at the same time, hardware is cheap compared to developer time.  Again, the big question mark in my mind is the view storage.  If it were stored on the client, in theory you wouldn't need much session space besides authentication, if any.  Right?   On 8/19/06, Eurig Jones < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As far as I'm aware after the research I've done I haven't seen any large websites done in JSF. I'm in the same boat as you. I'm developing an application which potentially could have 200/300 users concurrently logged on and this is a worry for me too. I'm trying to code the application as carefully as I possibly can with the fact that "LOTS of users will be logged on at the same time", always in the back of my mind. Like with any web framework, you need to code the application in best possible practices and as efficiently as possible (avoid using session beans as much as you possibly can. etc.) My concerns are memory usage more than anything. But this is a concern not with JSF but with developing my site with Tomcat and J2EE in general. As for performance, to be honest with you, I feel like I'm sailing into unchartered waters, because I really don't know! I can't help looking at PHP/Apache and thinking how efficient and proven it is under heavy load (And that wasn't a call for a start on a PHP/Java debate). Regards, Eurig Rogerio Pereira wrote: > Somebody has myfaces webapps with more than 50/100 concurrent users? > > -- > Yours truly (Atenciosamente), > > Rogério (_rogerio_) -- Yours truly (Atenciosamente), Rogério (_rogerio_) http://faces.eti.br