Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM,<openoffice.mbou...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
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To be honest, I don't see why Apache can't continue using the existing
infrastructure on openoffice.org? incubator.apache.org sounds, to me, like
something which is in the early stages of development - which OOo certainly
isn't! I know the page at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
explains otherwise, but if I were not already familiar with OOo I probably
wouldn't even have read that far.
You can read more about Apache Incubation here:
http://incubator.apache.org/
All projects that go through Incubation at Apache are already
established open source projects. Incubation is not a place to start
a new codebase. Apache Labs is where brand new ideas can start.
So the point of Incubation for OOo is not that OOo is new, but that it
is new to Apache and needs some extra attention to conform to the
Apache license, integrate with Apache infrastructure and understand
how Apache projects are run.
I understand that. But if I were a new user looking at that page, who
was not familiar with OpenOffice.org nor Apache's meaning of
"incubation", I would probably think the software is not well developed
and not look at it any further. I might not have even opened a link to
the page, reading "incubator" in the address and assuming it to be
under-developed, or if I did I may not read past the first sentence
which described the project as an "effort undergoing incubation" -
sounds like it is not yet a successful project.
I can't really answer your cosmic "why?" question. We must take it as
a given fact that Oracle has contributed OOo to Apache and that Oracle
will be shutting down their hosting of the website. Once those facts
are acknowledged -- even if you disagree with those decisions or how
they were made -- the rest of this, including Apache Incubation and
list migration, follows naturally.
Oracle have handed over the software, including the OpenOffice.org name
and branding, but not the openoffice.org domain nor the existing web and
email list infrastructure? That will also cause confusion, if Apache
still call the software OpenOffice.org, but there is no up-to-date web
site for it at openoffice.org!
That page also states that "Incubation is required of all newly accepted
projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure,
communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner
consistent with other successful ASF projects."
Does this mean the infrastructure, mailing list addresses, etc. are going to
change *again* once they have stabilized? If that's the case, why not use
the existing infrastructure at openoffice.org until Apache are ready to roll
out whatever new infrastructure they want to put in place?
Once a project graduates from Incubation it becomes a "top level
project" or TLP. At that point the mailing lists will change again,
e.g. ooo-users@incubator.apache,org would become
us...@openoffice.apache.org. We can probably make that transition
easy for subscribers, since it will be still within the same list
infrastructure.
So we're expected to subscribe to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org now,
and will soon be expected to subscribe yet again to
us...@openoffice.apache.org... (or at least change the address we send
email to, again)
I'm sorry to say, I will also be looking at joining those moving over to
LibreOffice (not that I contribute anywhere near as much here as some
others do). If nothing else, it seems to be much more stable in terms of
supporting infrastructure, and even who owns it!
-Rob
Mark.
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