On 12/06/2013 06:25 AM, Vinzenz Feenstra wrote:
On 12/06/2013 05:33 AM, Blaster wrote:
I guess I'm confused as to how Red Hat can be making statements that
Ovirt is a viable alternative to ESXi when many simple things that
ESXi users take for granted simply don't work or are non-existent
under Ovirt. I'm hardly a power user of ESXi, and I've only begun my
Ovirt journey, but I've already come across the following:
...
I understand that you're disappointed and we're trying to make our
best to make the user experience better. You should be considering the
age of the project and what we're actually already providing. Yes not
everything is perfect, but we're working hard on improving it.
True but you'll note that Blaster's overall comments were about Red
Hat's marketing of this project as a solution, given it's status. I
agree that it's a bit premature. oVirt is maturing quickly, but it still
has a ways to go. It will get there, as you point out, and of course
driving demand by a little over-enthusiastic marketing may actually
accelerate that process, which may be a goal (Machiavelli would approve
:). It will also frustrate some users, unfortunately.
Another thing having to say about your point 4 is that you're basing
your experience solely on Windows guests, which are a bit more
troublesome to support the same way we do for example Linux guests.
Here I disagree. My experience is the opposite. You can get almost
everything (that I care about anyway) for Windows by installing
spice-guest-tools (once you find it - there are few clues on the oVirt
Wiki). This includes drivers, better mouse/display handling, and
copy/paste. It does not seem however to include communication of the IP
address (nor, I suspect, clean shutdown handling).
It's on Linux where you have to piece together more things, and in fact
have to build some things (e.g. vdagent) from source.
Once https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026933 is fixed
(currently slated for 3.3.3 :( ), and assuming that a VFD will be
included and not just an ISO, the experience will be much simpler for
Windows than for Linux for those pieces.
If we were to build vdagent for Linux and make the RPMs for it and the
Linux Guest Agent available in an easy way (incorporate them into an ISO
and pre-populate ISO_DOMAIN with it?) that would be a big step forward
for Linux guests. It's possible that you'd have to build vdagent from
source, using some kind of automated build/install script on the ISO, to
make it work for a variety of Linux distros. That's effectively what
VMware has done. When building from source I find resolving the
dependencies to be a big headache, particularly on Fedora.
-Bob
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