Dear David,

do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so the 
announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“

Cheers
Timo



> Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users <users@ovirt.org>:
> 
> I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as 
> not to hijack the original thread.
> 
> I'm sure that this topic has come up before. 
> 
> 
> I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with 
> oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the 
> mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy 
> to a production environment.
> 
> I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my 
> experience grow.
> 
> I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to 
> allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned 
> about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support 
> RHV going forward.
> 
> What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it 
> is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent 
> Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to 
> CentOS 8?
> 
> As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help 
> to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just 
> go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a 
> while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's 
> (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to 
> switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or 
> something.
> 
> From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand 
> Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that 
> OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot 
> more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full 
> kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform.
> 
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> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg <tho...@hoberg.net> wrote:
> 
>> I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 
>> 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source 
>> virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break 
>> of trust.
>> 
> 
>> I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. 
>> Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective.
>> 
> 
>> With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on 
>> top via oVirt to persist just as long.
>> 
> 
>> And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 
>> can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on.
>> 
> 
>> Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it 
>> runs (tenants paying rent).
>> 
> 
>> We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after 
>> any update to the house of cards.
>> 
> 
>> And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was 
>> abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before 
>> the base OS ran out of support.
>> 
> 
>> To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself.
> 
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