Yes, please do.  Jira is the right place to capture the requirements for
this feature.

-Ted

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:27 AM HADI Ali <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Concerning handling the TTL at the level of the Dispatch Router, should we
> open a Jira ticket to track the issue and continue the discussion ?
> Depending on the priority of this issue on both sides, we are open to
> contribute if needed.
>
> Regards,
> Ali
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HADI Ali
> Sent: mercredi 13 mars 2019 11:14
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Dispatch Router prefetch
>
> We support both, it depends on the use case (we have multiple services
> using the messaging).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbie Gemmell <[email protected]>
> Sent: mardi 12 mars 2019 15:15
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Dispatch Router prefetch
>
> What acknowledgement mode mode are you using?
>
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 at 13:22, HADI Ali <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > In our use case we have polling consumers with a prefetch policy of zero
> that issues one credit at a time every few seconds. Between two receive,
> the consumer will be attached with zero credit.
> > Thus, not considering a consumer to be a routable destination until it
> issues initial credit would address the problem only for the first message,
> because the dispatch will still prefetch possibly expired messages as soon
> as the destination is considered routable.
> >
> > In this use case we are consuming a few messages per minutes and TTLs
> are between 2 to 5 seconds. Concerning the granularity, one second should
> be sufficient for us.
> >
> > We also noticed that the broker is not forwarding the TTL set at the
> level of the queue. Is this an expected behavior?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ali
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ted Ross <[email protected]>
> > Sent: lundi 11 mars 2019 15:32
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Dispatch Router prefetch
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:19 AM Gordon Sim <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 08/03/2019 2:12 pm, Gordon Sim wrote:
> > > > On 08/03/2019 12:59 pm, HADI Ali wrote:
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> We are actually using in our cluster multiple brokers and thus we
> > > >> need to define the same address on multiple brokers.
> > > >> For this, we cannot use linkroutes as suggested, but we still
> > > >> need to have the correct behavior of the TTL in our cluster.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is it an option to manage the TTL of the message at the level of
> > > >> the dispatch router since we have all of the information needed
> > > >> in the message headers?
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't do that at present, but it doesn't seem like an
> > > > reasonable enhancement to me.
> > >
> > > Sorry, meant to say it doesn't seem like an *un*reasonable enhancement!
> > >
> >
> > I'd like to better understand the use case here.  We've avoided adding
> any kind of TTL support in Dispatch Router up to this point.
> >
> > I assume, based on the fact that prefetch-1 didn't solve your problem,
> that you have consumers that are attached but don't issue credit for long
> periods of time.  Is this accurate?
> >
> > What is the pattern of your consumers?  Do they attach, then later issue
> credit to process a message?  How many messages per second/minute/hour do
> your consumers handle?  Do they issue one credit at a time?
> >
> > What are the typical TTLs in your messages?  How granular does the
> expiration need to be (i.e. how accurate of a timer would need to be used
> to tag each incoming delivery)?  Would one-second granularity be
> sufficient, or do you need milliseconds?
> >
> > An alternate approach would be to not consider a consumer to be a
> routable destination until it issues initial credit.  Would this address
> your problem?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >> In Internet Protocol, ipv4 for example, the routers manage the
> > > >> TTL and discard any expired messages.
> > > >>
> > > >> Or make it feasible to have the autolinks propagate the credit
> > > >> directly from consumers?
> > > >
> > > > This isn't really possible when you have autolinks for same
> > > > address to multiple brokers. If the consumer gives 10 credits, how
> > > > do you propagate that to two brokers?  5 each? What if they don't
> both have 5 messages?
> > > > 10 each? Then you are back to the situation where you have more
> > > > credit issued at source than the consumer has granted.
> > > >
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