Like I said we do have plan to have Visual Editor for Royale, but currently our whole Team is occupied with porting large Flex app to Royale. I think Royale itself starting to taking an advantage of that process. :)
Hopefully we will get back to work on Moonshine more very soon. Thanks, Piotr wt., 15 paź 2019 o 09:43 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> napisał(a): > Hi, > > hope Juda can give us his view about making Radii8 work with Royale. > Since we have various editors in place, it would be great to be able to > plug something like that in Moonshine, VSCode,... > > > El mar., 15 oct. 2019 a las 9:10, Harbs (<harbs.li...@gmail.com>) > escribió: > >> Here is the repo for Jude’s Radii8 project: >> https://github.com/velara3/Radii8 >> >> He did a lot of work there. I hope there’s some way to make it worth his >> while to complete Royale support in it. >> >> On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> FWIW, past discussions on this topic brought up the fact that the >> standard for “interactive developer-driven placement of widgets” in the >> HTML/JS/CSS world are things like JSFiddle which are considered much faster >> and more “real-time” than the workflow required by Flash Builder’s Design >> View. FB’s DV was the best Adobe could do because that technology required >> compiling a SWF and re-starting the Flash Player usually as a browser >> plugin. In the HTML world, you can just tweak a number, hit F5 and see it. >> >> That means to me that DV-like things really ought to be more >> JSFiddle-ish. The big difference is that instead of editing the source >> MXML, compiling, and re-loading in the browser, it might be better to build >> a tool that maps the HTML DOM to the MXML widgets so you can either edit in >> the Browser and some plug-in will offer to update your MXML files, or some >> other kind of plugin watches MXML files and updates the DOM in the browser, >> skipping the compile/transpile step if changes are only attributes. I have >> a prototype of the latter that uses an AIR app to monitor MXML files and >> update a SWF via LocalConnection. Judah was playing around with it, but >> not sure if he got it to work for JS. >> >> Then the Royale IDE providers may not need to produce a DV-equivalent, or >> can leverage code in our repos to provide something like it. DV was a pain >> to support in the framework as it broke the rules about Application being >> the top-level widget in a Flex app. For Royale, we could add beads to the >> components that make it easier for them to be tracked. >> >> I’d be interested in hearing more from Paul and anyone else who needs a >> WYSIWYG editing tool as to what the “must haves” really are. Would it be >> ok if you had to do the layout outside of the IDE in another tool? Would >> it be ok to have to take longer to re-transpile everything if you touch any >> code (Script block, event handlers in MXML, etc). I personally don’t have >> the bandwidth to work on this stuff right now, but maybe others can. It >> “should” be easier to update the browser for certain attribute changes in >> MXML or vice-versa than build a full DV. >> >> HTH, >> -Alex >> >> >> *From: *Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> >> *Reply-To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <users@royale.apache.org>, " >> pa...@compuace.com" <pa...@compuace.com> >> *Date: *Monday, October 14, 2019 at 11:46 AM >> *To: *"users@royale.apache.org" <users@royale.apache.org> >> *Subject: *Re: IDE for Royale >> >> Carols: >> >> >> Without a WYSIWYG editing tool to develop with, developer productivity is >> greatly reduced. Most of our applications are done using direct placement >> on canvases. We anchor components and use percentages from time to time. >> One of the main features we found attractive about Flex was the ability >> to create desktop like applications deployed as thin client applications. >> To provide that look and feel placement and tolerances of components is >> crucial. Traditional web based applications (we wrote ASP prior to >> converting to Flex and we currently write some in Oracle's Apex) just don't >> provide the same level of control over the user experience. >> >> What is* not important* is responsive design. These applications are *not >> designed for mobile devices*. We believe by restricting our design to be >> usable on a phone or tablet, makes the application less functional for how >> people will actually use it, which is sitting at a desk. When writing data >> entry intensive applications, keyboards and monitors are the target >> devices, every time a person needs to reach for a mouse, or touch the >> screen they are wasting time. >> >> >> We have no problem using new tools, as long as they are at least as >> robust as the old tools. >> >> >> Paul R. Stearns >> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >> >> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >> Suite 250 >> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >> >> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >> Fax: (305)623-4588 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> >> *Sent*: 10/14/19 2:08 PM >> *To*: Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> >> *Cc*: users@royale.apache.org >> *Subject*: Re: IDE for Royale >> Hi Paul, >> >> as part of your move to a new technology my advice is that you embrace >> with the change the new tools. In this case, Moonshine or VSCode are the >> main ones for now. >> Flash Builder is a tool in some kind of EOL by Adobe, without any update >> in about 10 years, so although I know some people is still using it, and I >> think can work with Royale with some tweaks, I think is better to change it >> for something fresh and new that is getting updates each month. >> >> Just my 2. >> >> >> >> El lun., 14 oct. 2019 a las 19:55, Paul Stearns (<pa...@compuace.com>) >> escribió: >> >> Does FlashBuilder 4.7 support Royale? >> >> I saw a GitHub project that seemed to indicate it would. I was unsure >> whether that product was being maintained. >> >> >> Paul R. Stearns >> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >> >> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >> Suite 250 >> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >> >> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >> Fax: (305)623-4588 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >> *Sent*: 10/14/19 1:44 AM >> *To*: Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> >> *Cc*: users@royale.apache.org >> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >> Great question Paul! We do have separate type of project in Moonshine >> called - Visual Editor. Currently we offer only Flex and PrimeFaces type of >> project, where you can creat simple UI and export to Adobe Air and Web type >> of project. >> >> We do have plan in future add Visual Editor for Royale. >> >> Thanks, >> Piotr >> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 11:47 PM Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> wrote: >> >> One thing I can't seem to find, is a GUI editor for MXML files in >> Moonshine. Am I missing something, or is it only a text editor? >> >> If Moonshine does not have a GUI editor, are there any IDEs with GUI >> editors for Royale/MXML? >> >> >> Paul R. Stearns >> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >> >> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >> Suite 250 >> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >> >> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >> Fax: (305)623-4588 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >> *Sent*: 10/13/19 3:01 PM >> *To*: Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> >> *Cc*: users@royale.apache.org >> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >> Hi Paul, >> >> We will release Moonshine probably this week with update to 0.9.6. >> >> Each Royale version should work with Moonshine. Try download manually >> from royale website binaries for 0.9.6 and add to Moonshine. Existing >> Royale project if contains file *..as3proj you can double click and it will >> open in Moonshine. Not that if you choose 0.9.6 you may end up with issue >> described here [1]. I've provided workaround here [2] >> >> Flex project if contains Flash Builder file you can also open trough >> Moonshine by pointing folder by options "Open/Import project..." from Home >> tab. - Maybe you will have to go trough some wizard during that process, >> than select appropriate template during setup. There is possibility that >> you will have to correct some settings after importing project - right >> click on project and Choose "Settings" - review them to see if all paths >> are correct. >> >> You will have to build probably tourdeflex using ant script (still can >> open project in Moonshine), cause it's multimodule application and we are >> not handle properly multimodule app in Moonshine yet and it didn't contains >> also file to open in Moonshine. I just fixed it [3]. Try checkout that >> folder [4]. >> >> I don't know how to properly build tourdeflex by ant, but if script is >> working you can do use Moonshine as well - right click on project, choose >> settings and in "Ant build" tab select build.xml in folder >> tourdeflexmodules. Than choose Project -> Build with Apache Ant. >> >> Any non multimodule app you should be able to build by options available >> in Project. >> >> Finally you can read more about emulation components here [5] >> >> [1] >> http://apache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com/Broken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2FBroken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109368161&sdata=IvrS60NCy1bYGvuHtNzLRQ70Q31wZVim7wKd%2F1NKmTk%3D&reserved=0> >> [2] >> http://apache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com/Broken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html#a12543 >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2FBroken-royale-config-in-JS-only-build-of-released-Apache-Royale-SDK-0-9-6-td12515.html%23a12543&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109378161&sdata=HuU6b5lIsKxtM8Th5GXosylUivxKBQPVKSHbdxHIhaU%3D&reserved=0> >> [3] >> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/commit/0117eaf5cd8e51024c0818af7ad67b988630f282 >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fcommit%2F0117eaf5cd8e51024c0818af7ad67b988630f282&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109378161&sdata=1FtJjlG9nwRuNLOQuPNaU3wehGSomz0Ow%2FaNFplbfiw%3D&reserved=0> >> [4] >> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/tree/develop/examples/mxroyale/tourdeflexmodules >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale%2Ftourdeflexmodules&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109388154&sdata=b6GeoH05H4rf%2F1PGT3b0eBvW9SNoW%2BU2VpliirNAhBE%3D&reserved=0> >> [5] https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/emulation-components >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fwiki%2Femulation-components&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109388154&sdata=BhJCxHcLjirjaZyqvufrzZdtBh3853dNy%2FFmOkwSuPc%3D&reserved=0> >> >> Thanks, >> Piotr >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 7:45 PM Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> wrote: >> >> I downloaded Moonshine. I told it to download Royale, which I noticed it >> is downloading 0.9.4. I think I want 0.9.6 which is the latest & greatest. >> >> Will 0.9.6 work with Moonshine? >> >> How do I upgrade? >> >> Last but not least, is there a tutorial on how to migrate/convert an >> entire flex project to Royale? >> >> Perhaps how to open a Flexbuilder 3 project with Moonshine. >> >> >> Paul R. Stearns >> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >> >> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >> Suite 250 >> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >> >> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >> Fax: (305)623-4588 >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> >> *Sent*: 10/13/19 12:28 PM >> *To*: pa...@compuace.com >> *Cc*: users@royale.apache.org >> *Subject*: IDE for Royale >> Hi Paul, >> >> Here is the link to information about IDE [1] >> >> Here is code to tourdeflex [2] and other Emulation components examples. >> >> [1] https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/development-tools >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapache.github.io%2Froyale-docs%2Fget-started%2Fdevelopment-tools&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109398146&sdata=OY36q9p%2Fdp2pNwCTKpSxF7qiNC8JrEfN6QtYDewMojw%3D&reserved=0> >> [2] https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/tree/develop/examples/mxroyale >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Ftree%2Fdevelop%2Fexamples%2Fmxroyale&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109398146&sdata=2qw0Jm4oda%2BMzEYdnN9wSS8%2BTgC36BG6w3D7r2W2wGw%3D&reserved=0> >> >> Thanks, >> Piotr >> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019, 6:08 PM Paul Stearns <pa...@compuace.com> wrote: >> >> To begin dabbling with Royale, I would like to use an IDE. For Flex I am >> using Flexbuilder 3. >> >> What is the best IDE for Royale? Where can I get it? >> >> Alex mentioned tourdeflex migration example, where can I find that? >> >> >> >> >> Paul R. Stearns >> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc. >> >> 15280 NW 79th Ct. >> Suite 250 >> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016 >> >> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107 >> Fax: (305)623-4588 >> >> >> >> -- >> Carlos Rovira >> http://about.me/carlosrovira >> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C56436bd28b9c446e074d08d750d6df96%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637066756109408139&sdata=dPBlfYf8mJKNqdGgLeuxIyBC7FyNJ6KlW%2Fefk5yV9M0%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > -- Piotr Zarzycki Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
