> On Jul 16, 2024, at 15:57, DdC <atlantisic...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> Dear Christopher,
> 
> Thanks for all your advice.
> Progress here.
> The port regards hck app (for medical diagnosis) with 6.1Mb source of
> which 4.6Mb java code.
> Have been able to compile without using j2ee.jar (with a dos .bat
> script tackling 19 directories, etc.)
> Used instead in CLASSPATH files in lib: 
> servlet-api.jar,
> javax.mail.jar,
> javax.activation.jar. 
> There IS a web.xml file in WEB-INF with, among the others, for
> com.ZAjax: 
> 
>     <servlet>
>       <servlet-name>com.ZAjax</servlet-name>
>       <servlet-class>com.ZAjax</servlet-class>
>     </servlet>
> 
>     <servlet-mapping>
>       <servlet-name>com.ZAjax</servlet-name>
>       <url-pattern>com.ZAjax</url-pattern>
>     </servlet-mapping>
> 
> Starting up tomcat 9.0.88 still hiccups when hck is encountered.
> The catalina log is attached.


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  - Chuck



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> 
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> On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 06:29:41 AM PDT, Christopher Schultz 
> <ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dennis,
> 
> On 7/8/24 17:05, DdC wrote:
> > Still struggling launching my hck app on Win10 & tomcat 9.0.88.It
> > runs (dont laugh) on: XP/Win7 & tomcat 4.0.4 Linux-gnu & tomcat
> > 6.0.32
> Tomcat 9 ought to be able to run a Servlet-2.0-era application just fine 
> unless you use one or two things that have been deprecated and won't 
> work anymore (20 years later).
> 
> > Tomcat 9.0.88 displays fine with localhost:8080.
> 
> Do you mean that the ROOT application ("Welcome to Tomcat") runs? I 
> wouldn't expect anything less.
> 
> What version of Java are you using, now? Hopefully it's at least 17 or 21.
> 
> > App hck compiles OK (dont laugh) with a script 
> > using:CLASSPATH=.;c:\tomcat4\j2ee.jar;c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes;c:\tomcat4\lib\
> 
> This isn't a script. Can you post the whole thing?
> 
> > Starting subsequently tomcat4 hiccups with:<<<<<NOTE: Picked up 
> > JDK_JAVA_OPTIONS:  --add-opens=java.base/java.lang=ALL-UNNAMED 
> > --add-opens=java.base/java.io=ALL-UNNAMED 
> > --add-opens=java.base/java.util=ALL-UNNAMED 
> > --add-opens=java.base/java.util.concurrent=ALL-UNNAMED 
> > --add-opens=java.rmi/sun.rmi.transport=ALL-UNNAMED08-Jul-2024 12:00:24.731 
> > INFO [main] org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server 
> > version name:   Apache Tomcat/9.0.8808-Jul-2024 12:00:24.748 INFO [main] 
> > org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server built:         
> >  Apr 9 2024 13:22:30 UTC08-Jul-2024 12:00:24.748 INFO [main] 
> > org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log Server version 
> > number: 9.0.88.008-Jul-2024 12:00:24.748 INFO 
> > [main]org.apache.catalina.startup.VersionLoggerListener.log OS Name:Windows 
> > 10......08-Jul-2024 12:00:27.313 INFO [main] 
> > org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployDirectory Deploying web 
> > application directory [C:\tomcat4\webapps\hck]08-Jul-2024 12:00:30.041 
> > SEVERE [main] org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployDirectory Error 
> > deploying web application directory [C:\tomcat4\webapps\hck]        
> > java.lang.IllegalStateException: Error starting child                at 
> > org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChildInternal(ContainerBase.java:690)
> >                 at 
> > org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChild(ContainerBase.java:659)     
> >            
> > atorg.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.addChild(StandardHost.java:661)at...
> >  ... ...>>>>>
> > Why, oh why does this tomcat not accept what has been compiled 
> > withj2ee.jar??
> 
> This copy-pasta is very difficult to read. Can you sent it without ... 
> re-formatting or whatever else is going on with your email sender?
> 
> Your error does not contain the "real error". If there are 50 lines of 
> stack trace, please post them ALL. Otherwise it will not be possible to 
> tell what the root problem is.
> 
> You have a runtime error above and a compiler error below. It's tough to 
> follow your journey, here.
> 
> Definitely do not put j2ee.jar into your web application's WEB-INF/lib 
> directory.
> 
> > Using the classpath without j2ee.jar:    
> > CLASSPATH=.;c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes;c:\tomcat4\lib\the 
> > compilation of the hck app fails early 
> > with:<<<<<c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes\com>javac 
> > *.javaZAjax.java:9: error: cannot find symbolpublic class ZAjax extends 
> > HttpServlet {                           ^  symbol: class 
> > HttpServletZAjax.java:12: error: cannot find symbol    public void doGet 
> > (HttpServletRequest req,                       ^  symbol:   class 
> > HttpServletRequest  location: class ZAjax >>>>>
> 
> > Why, oh why is the servlet infrastructure not found?
> 
> This is what I'm seeing (roughly)
> 
> C:> SET CLASSPATH=.;c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes;c:\tomcat4\lib\
> 
> C:> CD c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes\com
> 
> C:> javac *.java
> 
> This is an unusual way to compile Java. Given the package structure, I 
> would expect that ZAjax.java begins with the line "package com;" (which 
> itself is weird, but 100% legal, just unexpected). Because of that, it's 
> in a directory called "com". I would usually see something like this:
> 
> C:> SET CLASSPATH=.;c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes;c:\tomcat4\lib\
> 
> C:> CD c:\tomcat4\webapps\hck\WEB-INF\classes\
> 
> C:> javac com\*.java
> 
> ... plus any other sources you might have. Typically, one does not put 
> sources directly into the web application, but that's also 100% legal 
> and not a problem... just unusual.
> 
> What does your directory structure look like? How many .java files do 
> you have? What libraries to you need in order to compile?
> 
> Okay, I'm guessing that j2ee.jar contains a whole lot of stuff including 
> the Servlet APIs you need to compile against.
> 
> Your CLASSPATH only seems to reference the classes already compiled in 
> WEB-INF\classes. Including Tomcat's lib\ directory does nothing, 
> actually. Removing the j2ee.jar from the CLASSPATH causes compilation 
> failures because Java doesn't include the Servlet APIs in the core 
> API... you need a library for that.
> 
> You may be used to C where compiling (often) results in a binary 
> containing everything. That's not the case with Java. Think of Java .jar 
> files as being .dll files as well as .h and .lib files all rolled into 
> one: you can compile against foo.jar but then run with bar.jar as long 
> as the classes you referenced during the compile from foo.jar are 
> present and API-compatible with those in bar.jar.
> 
> So you are likely going to be able to compile using j2ee.jar in your 
> CLASSPATH or (better, IMHO), using Tomcat's servlet-api.jar instead.
> 
> At runtime, you will ALWAYS get Tomcat's servlet-api.jar which is why 
> you do not need to -- and indeed you must not -- include j2ee.jar in 
> your application's WEB-INF/lib directory.
> 
> Try using the file $CATALINA_HOME/lib/servlet-api.jar in your CLASSPATH
> for compiling. That contains only the servlet-related stuff. You might
> need more but "j2ee.jar" could be anything. CATALINA_HOME points to
> wherever you have installed Tomcat. It looks like you are building
> against Tomcat 4. Why not build against Tomcat 9? Or have you replaced
> Tomxat in C:\tomcat4 with Tomcat 9?
> 
> > BTW tomcat 8 is not available anymore, neither on the backup site ...
> 
> That's correct, Tomcat 8.5.x has been removed from the home page but the 
> documentation is still there and the downloads are still available if 
> you really want them. There is no reason to go back to Tomcat 8.5 so 
> continue with Tomcat 9.
> 
> Okay, I have found your project online including source. It's going to 
> take a bunch of work to get this going but it's not that bad. The major 
> effort will be that you can't use the "invoker servlet" anymore where 
> you make a call to "/foo.bar.Baz" and get your foo.bar.Baz servlet to be 
> called. You MUST explicitly-define each servlet and map them to URL 
> patterns these days.
> 
> If you know all the servlet names you know you need to make public, you 
> can just loop through them and do this:
> 
> <servlet>
>   <servlet-name>foo.bar.Baz</servlet-name>
>   <servlet-class>foo.bar.Baz</servlet-class>
> </servlet>
> // ... other <servlet> definitions ...
> 
> 
> Then:
> <servlet-mapping>
>   <servlet-name>foo.bar.Baz</servlet-name>
>   <url-pattern>/foo.bar.Baz</url-pattern>
> </servlet-mapping>
> // ... other <servlet-mapping> definitions ...
> 
> Put these into WEB-INF/web.xml with a proper XML envelope for web.xml. 
> For example:
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <web-app xmlns="http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee";
>   xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance";
>   xsi:schemaLocation="http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee
>                       http://xmlns.jcp.org/xml/ns/javaee/web-app_4_0.xsd";
>   version="4.0">
> 
> (servlet stuff from above)
> 
> </web-app>
> 
> Note that I copied the header and footer of this XML document from 
> Tomcat's conf/web.xml file.
> 
> There are a whole lot of other recommendations I would have for your 
> application, but my guess is that you "just want to get it working" 
> before doing anything else.
> 
> -chris
> 
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> > 
> >  
> > 
> >      On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 08:38:02 AM PDT, Christopher Schultz 
> > <ch...@christopherschultz.net <mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net>> wrote:
> >  
> >  Hello,
> > 
> > On 5/18/24 23:40, DdC wrote:
> >> Gave up on installing 9.0.88. on Win10.
> > 
> > Why did you give up? ZIP installation is a single command (either via
> > CMD or UI shell). EXE installer is pretty straightforward, too. There's
> > also a third-party installer that has a few more features including the
> > ability to upgrade an existing installation. (I recommend against
> > upgrading an existing installation specifically, but that's not a
> > recommendation against that third-party installer.)
> > 
> > Do you mean you gave up trying to get your application running on it?
> > 
> >> Succeeded with  10.1.23 andjdk-18.0.2.1.
> > 
> > Why Java 18? It's been EOL for years at this point. You should use Java
> > 21 these days for anything new.
> > 
> > Did you know that Tomcat 10 is fundamentally different than previous
> > versions?
> > 
> >> The lib directory has j2ee.jar, which I have used in earliertomcat 
> >> versions.
> > 
> > What does j2ee.jar contain? That seems so unspecific as to be problematic.
> > 
> >> Compilation of a system was OK apart from some warnings because Java
> >> has changed since the code was written.
> > ?
> > 
> >> There is a web.xml file in WEB-INF.
> > 
> > Okay...
> > 
> >> Invoking a servlet gives a 500 error with the ominous complaint:
> >> class su.SUlogin cannot be cast to jakarta.servlet.Servlet
> >> (su.SUlogin is in unnamed module of loader org.apache.catalina    ...
> >> ) Looks like that my code is quite out of date.Any suggestion for a
> >> fix?Going back to an earlier tomcat?
> > Did you read the migration guide for Tomcat 10.1?
> > 
> > I would highly recommend going back to 9.0 for the time being. If you
> > remove j2ee.jar, does your project compile? If not, what errors do you
> > get (missing classes, of course, but what major packages are missing)?
> > 
> > j2ee.jar sounds like an uber-jar with "everything we need in it" without
> > any specificity. You should replace that with modern, separate libraries
> > that support your application.
> > 
> > -chris
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